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Post by Ratty on Dec 31, 2016 7:15:29 GMT
I'm fairly sure that some of that was recorded during my eldest son's rock band practices in my garage. Should I turn myself in?
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 31, 2016 11:06:53 GMT
Looks like the political hacks at the FBI/CIA have not really done their homework. The malware that they are confidently saying is Russian is actually off the shelf malware with no Russian link. But why let facts get in the way of politics (where have we heard that before) www.wordfence.com/blog/2016/12/russia-malware-ip-hack/Analogy from a post.... Bank robbers use a Renault car to rob a bank and the FBI conclude with high confidence that the perps are the French government.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 31, 2016 12:11:18 GMT
"Vermonters and all Americans should be both alarmed and outraged that one of the world's leading thugs, Vladimir Putin, has been attempting to hack our electric gridInteresting twin definitions of 'thug', which is a favorite term for those describing Putin. In the common vernacular a thug is ... : a brutal ruffian or assassin : gangster, tough
The urban dictionary defines thug as ... a thug is someone who is going through struggles, has gone through struggles, and continues to live day by day with nothing for them.
I guess it's a culture thing.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 31, 2016 12:14:43 GMT
Looks like the political hacks at the FBI/CIA have not really done their homework. The malware that they are confidently saying is Russian is actually off the shelf malware with no Russian link. But why let facts get in the way of politics (where have we heard that before) www.wordfence.com/blog/2016/12/russia-malware-ip-hack/Analogy from a post.... Bank robbers use a Renault car to rob a bank and the FBI conclude with high confidence that the perps are the French government. Clouseau?
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 31, 2016 13:00:09 GMT
Looks like the political hacks at the FBI/CIA have not really done their homework. The malware that they are confidently saying is Russian is actually off the shelf malware with no Russian link. But why let facts get in the way of politics (where have we heard that before) www.wordfence.com/blog/2016/12/russia-malware-ip-hack/Analogy from a post.... Bank robbers use a Renault car to rob a bank and the FBI conclude with high confidence that the perps are the French government. Clouseau? Budget problem.
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Post by glennkoks on Dec 31, 2016 16:30:11 GMT
"I am shocked, shocked to find out that hacking is going on around here" Capt. Renault in Casablanca
I find it humorous at the outrage that the Russians are hacking on us. I got news for all the naive. The entire world has been spying, hacking, stealing secrets from one another for ages and ages. Don't think for one second that we don't spy, hack and steal from the Russians. I suggest the DNC spends more of their fundraising on cyber security and quits whining about it.
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Post by walnut on Dec 31, 2016 16:42:03 GMT
The attention should be on the DNC's technical ineptness, lack of security. And Madame Hillary's apparent lack of concern for national security. It should have been understood that Russia is trying to hack US networks as a matter of course.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 31, 2016 17:36:24 GMT
This comes as such a surprise! The audacity of it all.
The reporting is a text book example of colusion between "govt" and the media.
Is this a Black Swan event?
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 31, 2016 19:24:33 GMT
The attention should be on the DNC's technical ineptness, lack of security. And Madame Hillary's apparent lack of concern for national security. It should have been understood that Russia is trying to hack US networks as a matter of course. Actually, I would be more concerned for the content of the emails rather than their provenance. They showed that scheming, lying, fixing the media, taking bribes, passing information on debate questions etc etc, were completely normal practice for the Democrat elites. They also showed a total contempt for the people they pretended to support. I really don't care how that information was provided its publication did the USA a considerable service. The Wikileaks publishers say that they were given the information on removable media in DC with an Ex UK Ambassador flying to the US to collect it. An internal whistle blower is as unacceptable for the Democrats as a terrorist attack on their consulate in Benghazi, so a story is concocted using political place men in the security services in the same way as the video story. This classic pivot has taken attention away from the criminal content of the emails and that was its main purpose. Its secondary purpose was to put the incoming administration in a bind with Russia, thanks to Putin being more adult than Obama that approach does not seem to have worked (except for the Democrat talking heads and Senators Rubio, McCain and Graham who are flapping their flippers like performing seals as expected). On hacking - every nation is hacking. The APT personnel involved are extremely professional and there would be no traces whatsoever that anyone has been inside a machine. They are not interested in selling social security numbers on the dark web, so each time a 'penetration' is trumpeted by an insecure government department or industry because personal information is being sold on the dark web, then that is not the work of an intelligence agency, they want to stay hidden in the machines until they can use their presence to fail them or obtain really useful Intelligence. So finding traces means it was a private hacker from his mom's basement or some kind of criminal enterprise. _OR_ the traces were left to point to another APT as a 'false flag'.
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Post by walnut on Dec 31, 2016 20:34:22 GMT
Oh, I agree, but trying to strictly answer the "hacking" issue. The democrats corruption and incompetence was thankfully brought in front of the voters and the democrats paid a steep price in the elections. But because of 1.) the apparent security negligence of the democrats, particularly after all of Hillary's email problems, and 2.) the content of what was revealed in the hack, I am surprised that the democrats would want to spend any more time on this issue. They are trying to discount and erode the "mandate" that the republicans claim they won, by casting doubt on the legitimacy of the elections. They are also attempting to box Trump in as a treasonous Russian puppet and it seems like they have somewhat successfully framed the issues to their liking in the mass media for now. The attention should be on the DNC's technical ineptness, lack of security. And Madame Hillary's apparent lack of concern for national security. It should have been understood that Russia is trying to hack US networks as a matter of course. Actually, I would be more concerned for the content of the emails rather than their provenance. They showed that scheming, lying, fixing the media, taking bribes, passing information on debate questions etc etc, were completely normal practice for the Democrat elites. They also showed a total contempt for the people they pretended to support. I really don't care how that information was provided its publication did the USA a considerable service. The Wikileaks publishers say that they were given the information on removable media in DC with an Ex UK Ambassador flying to the US to collect it. An internal whistle blower is as unacceptable for the Democrats as a terrorist attack on their consulate in Benghazi, so a story is concocted using political place men in the security services in the same way as the video story. This classic pivot has taken attention away from the criminal content of the emails and that was its main purpose. Its secondary purpose was to put the incoming administration in a bind with Russia, thanks to Putin being more adult than Obama that approach does not seem to have worked (except for the Democrat talking heads and Senators Rubio, McCain and Graham who are flapping their flippers like performing seals as expected). On hacking - every nation is hacking. The APT personnel involved are extremely professional and there would be no traces whatsoever that anyone has been inside a machine. They are not interested in selling social security numbers on the dark web, so each time a 'penetration' is trumpeted by an insecure government department or industry because personal information is being sold on the dark web, then that is not the work of an intelligence agency, they want to stay hidden in the machines until they can use their presence to fail them or obtain really useful Intelligence. So finding traces means it was a private hacker from his mom's basement or some kind of criminal enterprise. _OR_ the traces were left to point to another APT as a 'false flag'.
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 31, 2016 21:34:06 GMT
The Democrats suffer from psychological projection.
* The Podesta Brothers have extremely close ties to Russia and made a lot of money on the side by the sale of US Uranium to Russia (as did Clinton).
* The Obama administration directly and overtly attempted to influence the election in Israel of Benjamin Netanyahu and of course Obama tried to influence the Brexit vote.
Their hypocrisy knows no bounds - but you can guarantee that whatever they accuse other people of doing - especially Trump, they are actually doing already themselves. Witness their 'horror' at the possibility that Trump could query the election result and Clinton's demagoguery on the point - only to be followed by democrats 'not accepting the election result' and playing every trick they can to subvert or reverse it.
I really don't think they realize how extremely transparent they are.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 31, 2016 23:42:37 GMT
... and Obama made fun of and tried to influence Australian internal policy. BUT, we would never, ever try to spy on our friends or neighbours. Australia, the Home of Ethics
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 1, 2017 3:09:45 GMT
... and Obama made fun of and tried to influence Australian internal policy. BUT, we would never, ever try to spy on our friends or neighbours. Australia, the Home of Ethics That one made me laugh Ratty!!
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Post by Ratty on Jan 1, 2017 22:36:08 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Jan 2, 2017 8:20:43 GMT
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