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Post by sigurdur on Nov 21, 2018 15:23:33 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 21, 2018 15:47:25 GMT
Well there is a surprise the coastal elite states are all in favor of being able to outvote the flyover states. The next step is to remove 'State's Rights' altogether and have everything run from DC. I have seen this before it is the European Union model.
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 21, 2018 16:37:07 GMT
Yep.
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 21, 2018 17:25:55 GMT
The United States of Central North America? From Rockies to Appalachians with a new flag? Texas can be the lead star. Perhaps the Canadian Prairie provinces will join.
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 24, 2018 23:40:29 GMT
They must have pulled the link code. But I've recently suspected that the Democrat Party in concert with select universities is offering a Dementism Ph.D.
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Post by Ratty on Nov 25, 2018 0:28:47 GMT
They must have pulled the link code. But I've recently suspected that the Democrat Party in concert with select universities is offering a Dementism Ph.D. All good Aussie unis offer those courses ..... in safe spaces.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 1, 2018 3:52:32 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Dec 1, 2018 6:56:09 GMT
Sounds real. Is it really?
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 1, 2018 12:19:29 GMT
Sounds real. Is it really? Yes it is real. Some of the law enforcement will make a show of it too I have seen police trucks with 'SEIZED FROM A DRUG DEALER' on the back and sides of the truck. However, something that is used sparingly as a punishment for real crimes, that is then used as in the case going to SCOTUS for no real reason may lead to a significant loss of faith in law enforcement. It may even be fatal. A case in UK is worth quoting. The Inland Revenue and VAT inspectors have a lot of power in UK and can in theory just take money from bank accounts if they think that taxes are owing, they can turn up unannounced to 'audit books' and some use this continual auditing and removal of money as a way of pressuring people to pay more tax (they don't get to keep the money but can get promoted for the 'success in increasing the taxes paid'. I was in a small business group and there were stories in the group of tax departments 'having a laugh' over the amount of stress they were applying on various small businesses. My company had extremely simple books but the VAT inspectors spent a week going through everything back more than 5 years! A particular car sales business was being repeatedly audited like that and the inspectors turned up yet again and the owner told them to wait in the outside office for a couple of minutes and he would be out. He did appear after a pause with a shotgun and killed both inspectors. This was in UK. I foresee misuse of 'seizure' leading to a similar if not more violent reaction in the US. There are communities where law enforcement is already 'them' and seen as a blight not a service to the community. If law enforcement loses the 'hearts and minds' of the majority, no amount of warm fuzzy news stories will recover the trust they once had. Imagine a world where law enforcement families cannot live in a normal subdivision, go openly to schools, shops, entertainment; and not just because they will not be served but because they could be killed. This already happens around the fringes of society, and there are more cases of police just being shot for no reason and lawyers and judges being shot. It is why the NFL has the problem of players kneeling during the national anthem. I don't believe that the legal and law enforcement community realize how close the US is to changing from a country of laws to a lawless country. In some ways the 'elite' have already got there.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 1, 2018 12:25:24 GMT
Sounds real. Is it really? Yes it is real. Some of the law enforcement will make a show of it too I have seen police trucks with 'SEIZED FROM A DRUG DEALER' on the back and sides of the truck. However, something that is used sparingly as a punishment for real crimes, that is then used as in the case going to SCOTUS for no real reason may lead to a significant loss of faith in law enforcement. It may even be fatal. A case in UK is worth quoting. The Inland Revenue and VAT inspectors have a lot of power in UK and can in theory just take money from bank accounts if they think that taxes are owing, they can turn up unannounced to 'audit books' and some use this continual auditing and removal of money as a way of pressuring people to pay more tax (they don't get to keep the money but can get promoted for the 'success in increasing the taxes paid'. I was in a small business group and there were stories in the group of tax departments 'having a laugh' over the amount of stress they were applying on various small businesses. My company had extremely simple books but the VAT inspectors spent a week going through everything back more than 5 years! A particular car sales business was being repeatedly audited like that and the inspectors turned up yet again and the owner told them to wait in the outside office for a couple of minutes and he would be out. He did appear after a pause with a shotgun and killed both inspectors. This was in UK. I foresee misuse of 'seizure' leading to a similar if not more violent reaction in the US. There are communities where law enforcement is already 'them' and seen as a blight not a service to the community. If law enforcement loses the 'hearts and minds' of the majority, no amount of warm fuzzy news stories will recover the trust they once had. Imagine a world where law enforcement families cannot live in a normal subdivision, go openly to schools, shops, entertainment; and not just because they will not be served but because they could be killed. This already happens around the fringes of society, and there are more cases of police just being shot for no reason and lawyers and judges being shot. It is why the NFL has the problem of players kneeling during the national anthem. I don't believe that the legal and law enforcement community realize how close the US is to changing from a country of laws to a lawless country. In some ways the 'elite' have already got there. Where's the outcry?
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 1, 2018 14:53:03 GMT
Yes it is real. Some of the law enforcement will make a show of it too I have seen police trucks with 'SEIZED FROM A DRUG DEALER' on the back and sides of the truck. However, something that is used sparingly as a punishment for real crimes, that is then used as in the case going to SCOTUS for no real reason may lead to a significant loss of faith in law enforcement. It may even be fatal. A case in UK is worth quoting. The Inland Revenue and VAT inspectors have a lot of power in UK and can in theory just take money from bank accounts if they think that taxes are owing, they can turn up unannounced to 'audit books' and some use this continual auditing and removal of money as a way of pressuring people to pay more tax (they don't get to keep the money but can get promoted for the 'success in increasing the taxes paid'. I was in a small business group and there were stories in the group of tax departments 'having a laugh' over the amount of stress they were applying on various small businesses. My company had extremely simple books but the VAT inspectors spent a week going through everything back more than 5 years! A particular car sales business was being repeatedly audited like that and the inspectors turned up yet again and the owner told them to wait in the outside office for a couple of minutes and he would be out. He did appear after a pause with a shotgun and killed both inspectors. This was in UK. I foresee misuse of 'seizure' leading to a similar if not more violent reaction in the US. There are communities where law enforcement is already 'them' and seen as a blight not a service to the community. If law enforcement loses the 'hearts and minds' of the majority, no amount of warm fuzzy news stories will recover the trust they once had. Imagine a world where law enforcement families cannot live in a normal subdivision, go openly to schools, shops, entertainment; and not just because they will not be served but because they could be killed. This already happens around the fringes of society, and there are more cases of police just being shot for no reason and lawyers and judges being shot. It is why the NFL has the problem of players kneeling during the national anthem. I don't believe that the legal and law enforcement community realize how close the US is to changing from a country of laws to a lawless country. In some ways the 'elite' have already got there. Where's the outcry? In ND, we had a bill introduced in the House to end asset seizure. It passed easily. Got to the Senate, and only 0 Senators voted for the bill. MY Senator, who is a Norwegian immigrant voted AGAINST the bill. Law enforcement painted a doom and gloom picture of a lost revenue stream. And of course, wasn't long and a payloader, valued at 55K was seized. The poor feller who thought he owned it, still doesn't have it back. I am not a fan of the Feds getting involved in this, but if that is what it takes, so be it.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 1, 2018 15:39:12 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 1, 2018 19:08:42 GMT
Odds on him keeping your power on?
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 2, 2018 18:51:10 GMT
Last sentence seems reasonable. But in a rainy place like Seattle, onsite personal gravity-fed rainwater storage would also be a possibility (assuming you have a house left to live in). My fathers family of 10 grew up in a small house with an underground hand laid cistern. I ran some rough calculations on how much rainwater fed emergency water could be reasonably stored onsite (attached to the guttering system) and based on 4 inches of rain per month ~MO avg). A 6'x6'x5' food grade plastic water tank will hold about 1400 gal (or break it up into 2 tanks). Tank cost of ~$795 or 2 at ~$560 each. add guttering connections and filtering if you wish and it's not outrageously expensive. Some footings and relative flexability of plastic tankage could yield about 100 gallons of water per day from 1200 ft sq of roof area. That with an outdoor dug waste pit would provide the basics. Sponge showers of course. Around here I'd have to worry about freeze proofing.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 2, 2018 23:15:08 GMT
Last sentence seems reasonable. But in a rainy place like Seattle, onsite personal gravity-fed rainwater storage would also be a possibility (assuming you have a house left to live in). My fathers family of 10 grew up in a small house with an underground hand laid cistern. I ran some rough calculations on how much rainwater fed emergency water could be reasonably stored onsite (attached to the guttering system) and based on 4 inches of rain per month ~MO avg). A 6'x6'x5' food grade plastic water tank will hold about 1400 gal (or break it up into 2 tanks). Tank cost of ~$795 or 2 at ~$560 each. add guttering connections and filtering if you wish and it's not outrageously expensive. Some footings and relative flexability of plastic tankage could yield about 100 gallons of water per day from 1200 ft sq of roof area. That with an outdoor dug waste pit would provide the basics. Sponge showers of course. Around here I'd have to worry about freeze proofing. WARNING: Code, do not read this. The BIG ONE might provide a problem for some of the things I have bolded? Maybe an earthquake-grade tank would be preferable? Guttering & roof? They are in Puget Sound. Footings? Liquefied. It might still rain though. Hope this helps .....
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