zaphod
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Post by zaphod on May 20, 2014 13:11:12 GMT
www.climatecentral.org/news/ocean-winds-australia-heat-17450LONDON — The answer to one of the enduring puzzles of global warming — the apparently sluggish response of the Antarctic continent to rising greenhouse gas levels — may have been settled by Australian scientists. And, in the course of doing so, they may also have solved another problem: the parching of Australia itself Thanks Sig, very interesting. And further evidence that climate scientists have never had the full picture.
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Post by nautonnier on May 20, 2014 17:47:10 GMT
"“The Southern Ocean winds are now stronger than at any other time in the last 1000 years,” Dr. Abram said. “The strengthening of these winds has been particularly prominent over the past 70 years, and by combining our observations with climate models we can clearly link this to rising greenhouse gas levels.”"
From Sig's link.
But it also says:
"In addition, weather observations in the northern hemisphere are much more detailed and have been conducted over a much longer period than in the southern hemisphere."
So where are the detailed records of the weak winds from the early Medieval Warming Period 1014? Sorry I smell a rat on this one. The winds strengthening started 70 years ago - but the AGW greenhouse effect is only claimed to have started in 1970's?
Looking at the Earth winds map you can see that the jetstreams are latitudinal again with big looping Rossby waves. This is likely to bring drought to some areas and floods to others - ask Texas about droughts they are getting the same.
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Post by douglavers on May 20, 2014 19:41:35 GMT
I don't think there is much evidence that rainfall in Southern Australia is diminishing [allowing for the PDO effects].
I thought that it had been decided that Antarctica was net putting on ice weight.
Furthermore, a Martian might think that if the the Circumpolar winds were "tightening", if anything that would tend to break up and diminish the [rapidly growing] volume of sea ice.
Don't believe the article.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 15, 2014 15:02:23 GMT
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Post by icefisher on Jun 15, 2014 16:59:09 GMT
"“The Southern Ocean winds are now stronger than at any other time in the last 1000 years,” Dr. Abram said. “The strengthening of these winds has been particularly prominent over the past 70 years, and by combining our observations with climate models we can clearly link this to rising greenhouse gas levels.”" At the yellow point the study went from a research project to a SWAG! "combining" ? Even they combined with validated models they would need some sort of test for the validity of the combination. But in the world of single source granting this is just a gratuitous statement for the political interests of the funder. Then some moron greeny latches on to it and repeats it like gospel and calls it science.
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Post by douglavers on Jun 16, 2014 20:09:23 GMT
"Climate change is helping an inconspicuous sea moss animal spread rapidly in Antarctica, say scientists.
The warmer temperatures have helped Fenestrulina rugula to thrive at the expense of other species.
The sea is freezing less so more icebergs are battering the shores of the peninsula, smashing the creatures that live there.
According to a new report, the nimble moss has managed to thrive despite the pounding."
Article in BBC today.
I am confused. I thought Antarctic Ice was plumbing new heights, to mix my metaphors.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 17, 2014 4:29:35 GMT
"Climate change is helping an inconspicuous sea moss animal spread rapidly in Antarctica, say scientists. The warmer temperatures have helped Fenestrulina rugula to thrive at the expense of other species. The sea is freezing less so more icebergs are battering the shores of the peninsula, smashing the creatures that live there. According to a new report, the nimble moss has managed to thrive despite the pounding." Article in BBC today. I am confused. I thought Antarctic Ice was plumbing new heights, to mix my metaphors. It is Doug.
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 21, 2014 14:15:21 GMT
"Climate change is helping an inconspicuous sea moss animal spread rapidly in Antarctica, say scientists. The warmer temperatures have helped Fenestrulina rugula to thrive at the expense of other species. The sea is freezing less so more icebergs are battering the shores of the peninsula, smashing the creatures that live there. According to a new report, the nimble moss has managed to thrive despite the pounding." Article in BBC today. I am confused. I thought Antarctic Ice was plumbing new heights, to mix my metaphors. It is Doug. Doug, I believe this quote is particularly apposite here especially the need for government support to suppress dissent (the debate is over) .... “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”National Socialist - Joseph Goebbels In this case despite Antarctica having record levels of sea and land ice - the climate scientivists are repeating and repeating how Antarctica is melting at an ever increasing rate; the precise opposite of reality. Anyone with the temerity to point out this and other similar untruths is removed from post and vilified by members of NOAA, NASA and the Administration (and their international equivalents) etc.,
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Post by icefisher on Jun 22, 2014 17:45:39 GMT
Where are the headlines?
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 23, 2014 16:00:34 GMT
Would an increase of ice on the South Pole cause the planet to tilt causing the North Pole to be more exposed to the Sun? No. An increase in sea ice would actually lessen the weight at the South Pole.
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Post by nonentropic on Jun 23, 2014 16:38:57 GMT
I think in the case of the Antarctic the ice growth may be accompanied by a growth of ice depth on the landmass but actually in the scheme of things it trivial.
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 2, 2014 3:36:31 GMT
A post on WUWT points out that the shape of the Antarctic ice extent as almost a precise circle should be some cause for concern. ...
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 2, 2014 5:11:44 GMT
It is to me Nautonnier.
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Post by icefisher on Jul 2, 2014 5:53:33 GMT
A post on WUWT points out that the shape of the Antarctic ice extent as almost a precise circle should be some cause for concern. ... Where is this post?
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 2, 2014 7:32:12 GMT
A post on WUWT points out that the shape of the Antarctic ice extent as almost a precise circle should be some cause for concern. ... Where is this post? It was a posted comment to a post- phraseology a little misleading link
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