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Post by Ratty on Aug 17, 2015 0:50:05 GMT
with them changing the size of the Antarctic ice .. I'm sure there on to my theory surly something so small could not effect the whole planet .. but where did all that ice go ?? that's to say if there not hiding it ..if it's not there may I suggest we look at the east coast of Australia..but that would not be right as the currents are the wrong way it should be coming up beside chilli first .. but at the same time we have a very large polar jet stream it's a confusing time .. Flea, I can see Moreton Island from our front windows and the icebergs haven't arrived yet.
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Post by douglavers on Aug 17, 2015 7:45:54 GMT
Ratty
I'll be looking back at you across that ice-studded stretch of water from Tangalooma Resort, in three weeks!!
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Post by Ratty on Aug 17, 2015 8:02:22 GMT
Ratty I'll be looking back at you across that ice-studded stretch of water from Tangalooma Resort, in three weeks!! Set a time and wave .... I'll be watching. Last time I was at Tangalooma, it was a whaling station; I was a primary school student, mid fifties? Hope the smell has improved. BTW, Bob Dyer used to catch his record-breaking sharks near Tangalooma. The story goes he used to hang a side of beef over the side of Tennessee II; he'd yank it up if the shark was too small or drop it in if he thought "record". He & wife Dolly caught quite a few BIG white pointers in the bay ...... where I spent every spare moment - weekends and after school - swimming. Shark Record Article
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Post by acidohm on Sept 6, 2015 11:37:31 GMT
Update to my SSTA animation, brings up to 5th September. Increased warmth appearing from Caribbean generally.
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 11, 2015 19:50:39 GMT
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Post by nonentropic on Sept 12, 2015 3:47:13 GMT
the Gulf Stream is very much a part of the Wests conversation, much to do with where many of us came from. The question I have is how unique is the Gulf Stream globally? I have no misconception that should it stop much in the world will change but are we looking at just one indicator?
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Post by douglavers on Sept 12, 2015 6:30:13 GMT
Blind Freddy would probably suggest [if he could see] that the warming in the last quarter of the 20th Century might have been associated with a warm AMO.
Obviously a too simplistiv view for most climate scientists.
More telling was the comment about the temperature in western Europe being closely associated with Atlantic Ocean temperatures.
It will be fascinating to see if a very cold North Atlantic translates into a very cold Paris in early December!
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Post by nonentropic on Sept 12, 2015 8:41:23 GMT
lets hope. Gore will likely be there that gives me real hope!
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Post by Andrew on Sept 12, 2015 8:50:08 GMT
the Gulf Stream is very much a part of the Wests conversation, much to do with where many of us came from. The question I have is how unique is the Gulf Stream globally? I have no misconception that should it stop much in the world will change but are we looking at just one indicator? Fairly unique. Where else have you got an ice filled basin draining very cold water thousands of miles along a gradually deepening ocean bottom? The arrangement is only possible because of the unusual way the water is being funnelled by those land masses. Fortunately it is hard to see by what process it could stop in the current circumstance we are living in.
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Post by nonentropic on Sept 12, 2015 8:54:24 GMT
Yes it does look quite special but it is really the only bit studied for hundreds of years I think?
I only ask because it may be the regulator in some way.
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 12, 2015 11:29:18 GMT
the Gulf Stream is very much a part of the Wests conversation, much to do with where many of us came from. The question I have is how unique is the Gulf Stream globally? I have no misconception that should it stop much in the world will change but are we looking at just one indicator? Fairly unique. Where else have you got an ice filled basin draining very cold water thousands of miles along a gradually deepening ocean bottom? The arrangement is only possible because of the unusual way the water is being funnelled by those land masses. Fortunately it is hard to see by what process it could stop in the current circumstance we are living in. It is not too dissimilar to the Kuroshio and Alaska currents in the North Pacific - that are almost analogs for the Gulf Stream and the North Atlantic Drift. Although the kuroshio is affected by the El Nino/La Nina kelvin waves in a way that the Gulf stream is not.
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Post by nonentropic on Sept 12, 2015 18:30:03 GMT
Yes but does it slice and circulate the Arctic?
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 13, 2015 0:10:52 GMT
Latest temperature transect at 59 N, 0-30 W, for 0-800 meter depth, shows dramatic decline in last 6-8 months. the main part of the North Atlantic Current, using Argo-data. www.climate4you.com/Latest month shown: June 2015.
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 13, 2015 0:26:54 GMT
But the latest papers say it has warmed. Argo must be in error.We all know the models are correct and observations are wrong!!!!//./........
PARIS!!
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 13, 2015 1:18:38 GMT
Could the "Last Tango" degrade to a long "Country Wail" that has a bad ending for the dog? Or the peekup? There appears to be one arm of NASA / NOAA posting some positively inconvenient graphics on an expanded-content web page. www.climate4you.com/ I am positively liking what I see ... in terms of transparency ... at least I assume. This graphic for the same location as above shows a rather dramatic expansion of colder water at depth since ~March, 2015. Is Flea's deep blue (cold) Antarctic blob surfacing? Or is this coming down from the north? ? I went back to a previously posted paper ... Observed decline of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation : 2004–2012
and reread it. Figure 4 (page 33) shows a vertical stream function profile for the two 4-year periods 2004-8 and 2008-12 from 0 to 6,000 meters depth. In addition to the decline in flow from 0 to 1000 m between the two periods, there is a deeper, increase in the northward flow of water between 3000-6000 m. Was (is) this Antarctic water moving northward, that is now surfacing 3 or so years later??? Merely speculative ... but could an increasing northward flow at depth (by whatever mechanism) slow and divert the warmer surface flow by increasing the marginal resistance to that flow? Diverting warm flow more easterly and backing up water along the New England coastline??? These measurements were, of course, at 26 N. What marvelously exciting times we live in!
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