zaphod
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Post by zaphod on Jul 24, 2013 20:18:16 GMT
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Post by icefisher on Jul 24, 2013 21:32:11 GMT
They are just selling uncertainty to spread fear and advance a political agenda. Heck who knows since carbon is the basis of all nutrition maybe anthropogenic emissions will attract some planet gobbling dragon warping through our sector and pick off the planet earth like a ripe cherry. |
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Post by throttleup on Jul 24, 2013 23:03:40 GMT
They are just selling uncertainty to spread fear and advance a political agenda. Heck who knows since carbon is the basis of all nutrition maybe anthropogenic emissions will attract some planet gobbling dragon warping through our sector and pick off the planet earth like a ripe cherry. |
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 24, 2013 23:32:38 GMT
There is no scientific basis for the methane release idea. The current temps are not anything out of the ordinary for the Holocene. In fact, less than the Roman Warm Period, 1.5C or more less than the Holocene Climate Optimum period. The Optimum period was also a period of several thousand years that there was no Arctic Ice during the summer. Also, if you look at MIS-6, which was the last interglacial, temps were 3.0-5.0C warmer than the highs of the Climate Optimum. It didn't happen then, it isn't going to happen now to any degree of alarm. |
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Post by zaphod on Jul 25, 2013 0:37:18 GMT
Thanks for that, sigurdur. The article says Methane is 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide, so that is 20 times
more potent than something not very potent at all. By my reckoning, 20 x NotMuch = NotMuch.
It is interesting how these alarmist articles are released periodically to keep us hiding behind the sofa...
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Post by mkelter on Jul 25, 2013 1:55:51 GMT
Today's alarmist climate report: "Methane meltdown: The $60trn arctic timebomb. . . Burn 'em if you got 'em. A few of thoughts on CH4:
FIRST: This so-called study by the Arctic Methane Emergency Group is an emergency for them but not for anybody else. They're funding is at risk. Last month, the media reported on a study published in Nature Magazine which stated that "the Arctic’s stockpile of carbon may be more secure than scientists thought. In a 20-year experiment that warmed patches of chilly ground, tundra soil kept its stored carbon. . ."
Science News article
These guys at AMEG now know what it's like to have a scientific paper threaten their jobs--what comes around goes around and all that stuff.
SECOND POINT: Does anybody have an idea how much CH4 is in that region? A bunch.
Back when I was a young Army Lieutenant I spent some time as an advisor to the boys in the Alaskan National Guard who were activated by President Reagan to hunt down Russian Spetznatz operating in Alaska during the Trans-Alaska pipeline days. Most of the guys in the NG units were Aleuts with outstanding field craft skills. Never needed firewood to thaw a can of C-rations. There was always plenty of gas available.
If we're so damn worried about stores of methane that have been around for a very long time, then we ought to get busy extracting the stuff and getting it to the markets where it can be used as fuel. Like the Sergeant always told his troops: "Burn 'em if you got 'em.
FINALLY: All this presumes that you don't believe that CO2 is an environmental pollutant, which I clearly don't believe.
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Post by throttleup on Jul 25, 2013 2:02:08 GMT
Thanks for that, sigurdur. The article says Methane is 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide, so that is 20 times more potent than something not very potent at all. By my reckoning, 20 x NotMuch = NotMuch. It is interesting how these alarmist articles are released periodically to keep us hiding behind the sofa... |
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Post by Pooh on Jul 25, 2013 4:43:16 GMT
“It is a true old saying,” Ben Franklin remarked, “that make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you.”
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Post by douglavers on Jul 25, 2013 13:23:56 GMT
I think methane concentrations in the atmosphere have been stable for a long time.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 25, 2013 19:13:42 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 26, 2013 17:01:46 GMT
I think that the probability of the release of clathrates due to temperature rise is small, This paper geology.gsapubs.org/content/32/1/53 would appear to put the AGW proponents into a cleft stick. " A secondary use of this data set is the insight into the possible cause of continental-slope failures. Glacial-period slope failures occur mainly in the low latitudes and are associated with lowering sea level. This finding suggests that reduced hydrostatic pressure and the associated destabilization of gas hydrates may be the primary cause.In other words the clathrates are released when sea level DROPS - but we are told also in panicky tones that we are all going to drown as sea level is rising. Well it is one or the other |
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 26, 2013 17:29:46 GMT
Hey.....we can always hope the sea water will put out the fire.......right?
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zaphod
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Post by zaphod on Jul 27, 2013 3:21:02 GMT
Hey.....we can always hope the sea water will put out the fire.......right?
? ? ? We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it ? ? ?Could create a reasonable parody using the names of climate scientists in the style of the original... |
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