zaphod
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Post by zaphod on Dec 31, 2013 19:44:43 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 31, 2013 22:08:38 GMT
Will have the full paper to read in a few days. Most interested in the methodology and why the satellites show an INCREASE in clouds as we have warmed, instead of a decrease as this paper seems to indicate. But hark.......the increase in clouds is observed, the decrease is from a model perhaps?
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Post by icefisher on Jan 4, 2014 2:19:04 GMT
As it typical with the warmists they say:
"Sherwood accepts his team's work on the role of clouds cannot definitively rule out that future temperature rises will lie at the lower end of projections. "But," he said, for that to be the case, "one would need to invoke some new dimension to the problem involving a major missing ingredient for which we currently have no evidence. Such a thing is not out of the question but requires a lot of faith.""
Dr Roy Spencer talks about the paper on his blog. He has not yet gotten the paper but is quite familiar with the issues of cloud feedback and he points out:
"First, let’s examine the scenario wherein they are right. Since observed tropical warming has been arguably less than ALL models have forecast, there must be some natural cooling mechanism the models do not contain which will magically go away at some point."
Its clear that Sherwood cannot himself avoid a major missing ingredient (whether there is evidence or not of its specific nature).
I will look forward to Spencer's review of the paper.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 4, 2014 9:53:46 GMT
All these claims are based on a misunderstanding of the balance of albedo cooling versus the supposed infrared warming from clouds. The proponents of Global Warming have claimed that the clouds are in 'balance' and therefore the two effects cancel out so 'clouds have no effect'. This paper appears to say the warming effect is greater whereas a post from Willis Eschenbach on WUWT shows that the cooling effect is greatest. See Cancelling the Tropical CancellationLack of understanding of clouds and their effects is the major weakness of climatology and for that matter even mesoscale weather forecasting |
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Post by magellan on Jan 5, 2014 2:13:22 GMT
What happened to the heat hiding in the oceans? This is just another pea under the cup carnival game.
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zaphod
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Post by zaphod on Jan 5, 2014 19:54:10 GMT
Trouble is, this is what is being fed to the public under generalised
alarmist headlines.
Which is why I post such newspaper articles here when I spot them.
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Post by karlox on Jan 6, 2014 8:06:22 GMT
Main point and claim -to my little knowledge- of the article: "The way clouds affect global warming has been the biggest mystery surrounding future climate change." (So researches claim they have unvailed the BIGGEST MYSTERY surrounding future climate change, that´s a Nobel price!  ) |
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