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Post by missouriboy on Oct 11, 2016 23:32:27 GMT
Well Ratty, I have been reading for 40 years that the world will be starving in 5 or 10 years. Something tells me that there will still be food in 5 or 10 years time. I bet there will still be food in 2030 or 2050. yep there will be food just not enough to go around .. It was that way in the Maunder as well. From the Long Slow Thaw... “For the constitutive paradigm of the “Little Ice Age”, matters of power, violence and death depended on a fundamental change of climate. To be sure, in the 1570s the average temperature fell by only a few degrees, and equally certain, after the 1570s we can observe periods of remarkably stable, warm weather. However, as Christian Pfister and others have shown, after 1570 and continuing for more than a century and a half, these stable conditions were the exception, not the rule. What the people of Europe were forced to experience after the 1570s were long, cold winters, the late arrival of spring, cold, wet summers, and an early winter. In sum, weather conditions in the growing seasons of agricultural products tended to become too short causing the produce – if any grew at all – often to be of poor quality. Ensuing food shortages triggered an avalanche of reactions: while some people turned to God, confessing their sins and imploring God to grant the food necessary for survival, others hunted witches whom they considered to be agents of the devil and whom they held responsible for the failed harvests. As a result of malnutrition, illnesses of all kinds spread rapidly, including the plague. Thus long before the outbreak of the Thirty Years War, population began to decline in many European countries.” judithcurry.com/2011/12/01/the-long-slow-thaw/
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Post by missouriboy on Oct 14, 2016 6:14:27 GMT
Global climate change, war, and population decline in recent human history www.pnas.org/content/104/49/19214.full“During the long cold spell between 1559 and 1652, average heights in Europe declined by 0.8 inches. That disastrous period in European history is referred to by historians as the General Crisis of the 16th Century. It was a time of starvation and deadly conflict, including the brutal Thirty Years War.” (23) For those with lots of time. Some charts showing grain production versus temperature change in Europe. From a reference in "The Long Slow Thaw". judithcurry.com/2011/12/01/the-long-slow-thaw/
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 31, 2016 5:24:33 GMT
Code: I will make a comment. The reporter is full of shit. 1. I don't like roundup but I do use roundup. It cuts chemical use by 2/3 in soybeans. That is a farm fact. 2. The potatoe. When the GMO potatoe came out, the excitement of potatoe growers was huge. The gene used was taken from wild potatoes who produced a toxin in their leaves that made them resistant to Colorado Potatoe beetles. We were looking at 3 less sprayings per year. 3. GMO corn. Way, and I mean way less use of pesticides. I don't know where the United Nations got their data but it doesn't match reality in the field.
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 31, 2016 19:56:05 GMT
Code: I will make a comment. The reporter is full of shit. 1. I don't like roundup but I do use roundup. It cuts chemical use by 2/3 in soybeans. That is a farm fact. 2. The potatoe. When the GMO potatoe came out, the excitement of potatoe growers was huge. The gene used was taken from wild potatoes who produced a toxin in their leaves that made them resistant to Colorado Potatoe beetles. We were looking at 3 less sprayings per year. 3. GMO corn. Way, and I mean way less use of pesticides. I don't know where the United Nations got their data but it doesn't match reality in the field. Sig, What chems do Rup cut? How do you know you wouldn't not use them anyway? The spud. You said you were looking at 3 less spraying per year. Is that holding true for you? Corn. Hmm, is it possible pest were fewer and there fore the need for control was less? Hard to imagine false reporting in the article Code: McDonalds jinxed the GMO potatoe
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 31, 2016 20:07:46 GMT
Ok.. Soybeans used to put on a pre-plant herbicide, post plant herbicide mix of 4 different chemical twice. Corn: used to put a nuro based insecticide at planting, plus a herbicide in row. Then came back with another herbicide application prior to V-4. Then when the bug application at planting wore off another application of bug spray for corn borer and other bugs.
The stacked traits have eliminated most chemical application.
Once again, this is the reality.
Europe applies WAY more chemical than the USA farmers do.
This is another fact.
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 31, 2016 20:49:17 GMT
The feller who wrote that op-ed didn't bother verifying the numbers and effects with sources who actually perform the application and bear the costs. After reading articles concerning the DAPL protest, verses what is actually happening, and has happened, I have lost a lot of respect for news sources. Unbelievable how law enforcement has bent over backwards to be non- confrontational yet are portrayed as the aggressors. Who would welcome a hoard of folks camping in their yard? Even after 2 days of being asked to vacate, they stayed. When they were removed it was law enforcement's fault that they got arrested? The burning of a bridge was NOT looked on kindly by folks in ND who work for a living.
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 31, 2016 23:46:32 GMT
International potatoe Expos.
Production practices for wheat, rape etc. The only reason they can afford to apply so many fungicides etc is because the base price in the EU is approx 55% higher than in the USA.
Farm publications.
Europe developed tram lines because they spray so much! In the USA, we don't do tram lines because we don't spray as much, so the compaction isn't a normal issue.
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 1, 2016 0:30:11 GMT
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Post by fredzl4dh on Nov 1, 2016 12:12:54 GMT
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Post by fredzl4dh on Nov 1, 2016 12:14:56 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Nov 1, 2016 12:48:51 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 2, 2016 15:16:20 GMT
Sig. Public radio is on the air today with a supposed NY Times article (I haven't found it) claiming that widespread adoption of GMO crops in the US has NOT resulted in greater yields with significantly less pesticide use. What the? They claim that herbicide use is going up here and that Europe is doing just fine. ??
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 2, 2016 17:59:29 GMT
Sig. Public radio is on the air today with a supposed NY Times article (I haven't found it) claiming that widespread adoption of GMO crops in the US has NOT resulted in greater yields with significantly less pesticide use. What the? They claim that herbicide use is going up here and that Europe is doing just fine. ?? Further up in this thread you will find the article posted by Code. You can read my response to the article. The article is full of shit, but then I farm so what would I know?
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 2, 2016 19:35:30 GMT
Sig. Public radio is on the air today with a supposed NY Times article (I haven't found it) claiming that widespread adoption of GMO crops in the US has NOT resulted in greater yields with significantly less pesticide use. What the? They claim that herbicide use is going up here and that Europe is doing just fine. ?? Further up in this thread you will find the article posted by Code. You can read my response to the article. The article is full of shit, but then I farm so what would I know? You know enough to get my vote. Keep up the good work!
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Post by douglavers on Nov 2, 2016 20:59:07 GMT
Referring back to Ratty's SST pic [wish I knew how to do that on this site], it appears that there is a large cold blob in the middle of the Atlantic.
This suggests a weak North Atlantic Drift.
In turn this implies much colder European winter(s).
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