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Post by goncalosousa on Feb 26, 2015 12:54:45 GMT
Since I grew aware of how much climate change impacts our lives, I've tried to implement a more greener lifestyle. And my ideas are even reaching my wife, parents and even some friends. However, I would like to know what you are doing to fight the climate change. Here it is a list of the changes I've already done: 1 - I only use my car in the weekends and only if I need to. I travel to work by bus. 2 - I'm cutting off the red meat from all my meals. 3 - I don't use plastic bags anymore. When I go to the supermarket I use a cloth bag. To finish, I'll leave here a post with tips to help stop the climate change: abcofsolar.com/10-simple-things-you-can-do-to-help-the-world-climate/ Looking forward to your answers!
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 26, 2015 13:31:28 GMT
Since I grew aware of how much climate change impacts our lives, I've tried to implement a more greener lifestyle. And my ideas are even reaching my wife, parents and even some friends. However, I would like to know what you are doing to fight the climate change. Here it is a list of the changes I've already done: 1 - I only use my car in the weekends and only if I need to. I travel to work by bus. 2 - I'm cutting off the red meat from all my meals. 3 - I don't use plastic bags anymore. When I go to the supermarket I use a cloth bag. To finish, I'll leave here a post with tips to help stop the climate change: abcofsolar.com/10-simple-things-you-can-do-to-help-the-world-climate/ Looking forward to your answers! King Knut, contrary to popular mythology, sat in a throne below the high tide line on the beach and 'commanded the tide not to rise' to show that there was no way that even with his Kingly powers nature would obey him. That we now need a similar King Knut to show the same thing to the more gullible amongst us is unfortunate. Climate change is as unstoppable as the earth's rotation in its orbit around the Sun. There has been no valid proof of any major human impact on climate. Minor changes in local weather yes such as that caused by building towns (Urban Heat Islands) by farmers with particular crops (I suppose these should be called rural heat islands) and by greens carrying out slash and burn farming in rain forest areas to replace the natural forests with palm oil - to save the climate but leading to less down wind rain. However, while CO2 has been shown to increase plant growth by reducing heat and drought stress resulting in measurable greening of the deserts. There is no observational evidence whatsoever that CO2 is causing any measurable change in the heat retained in the real world atmosphere - none whatsoever. The proofs that were meant to show were things like a tropical tropospheric hotspot, it is in every single model but it is not there in the real world. Meanwhile the press goes into hyperbolic raptures about an unmeasurable rise of two hundredths of one degree centigrade in a fudged 'Global Average Temperature' as the Earth stops warming after the Little Ice Age. I have no problems with people trying to reduce their impact on the environment - I do have problems when the leugen presse support political actions that are aimed at wealth redistribution often to those same politicians and bringing down western economies based on mythical threats. Especially, as this comes at a time when "a child dies every 5 seconds from starvation and related causes" and similar numbers from treatable diseases when even UNICEF says that $1 would save a life. So instead of giving climate 'scientists' and inefficient 'green power' another $1billion the politicians could almost wipe out deaths due to starvation in Africa and Asia. So why aren't they doing it? Look up the Science Tzar's previous work where John Holdren was happily talking about forced abortion and lacing the water supplies with contraceptive chemicals. A lot of our politics is based on Malthusian theory of resources running out due to 'the poor people breeding' and has led to misanthropic policies by our 'leaders'. Policies that they dress up as saving the planet from 'climate change' - see earlier on King Knut.
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Post by acidohm on Feb 26, 2015 16:10:28 GMT
I think the above shows CO2 warms us for sure....but didn't we already know this from historical records?
Have they done a thorough account of what CO2 is from what source....
Why are we seeing signs of cold like we have never seen in our lifetime?
The thing I really enjoy about these discussions is that possibly we are on thr cusp of a tiping point, i know where my money is but im more interested in finding out the truth. I really do appreciate the fact there is a balance of well informed opinions on this forum....
However goncalosousa, after worrying about climate change since a child, my observations in the climate where I live, and becoming better informed myself about solar activity, my instinct now goes with a colder outlook, not a warmer one.
Having said all that, I'm lucky to be able to say my carbon footprint is quite low, I work 2 minutes from home, my vehicles did under 5000 miles last year. The downside is visiting my croatian wife's family so I have some airmiles.
I work as a plumber/heating engineer, we are under pressure to use more renewable energy sources and while the idea is nice, our main arsenal in this us ground/air source heat pumps and solar hot water...also we use heat reclamation system to recover heat from boiler flue gasses and even bathroom waste water.
All of the above are hugely expensive to purchase, only really applicable in new build senarios, with ground source especially alot of land or deep holes are needed. Basically, nice idea, not really practical for the 250,000 houses we're meant to be building on this country....
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Post by magellan on Feb 26, 2015 17:33:52 GMT
Feed the troll.
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 26, 2015 18:08:11 GMT
Well what they have shown is what anyone knows about radiative gases - they well radiate.
What they don't say is where that 'heat' came from.
Nitrogen and Oxygen are 'non-radiative' gases. In other words they do not give off lots of infrared when warmed due to the structure of their N2 and O2 molecules but CO2 vibrates when it is warmed with the two oxygen atoms flailing about their attachment to the Carbon.
So if you have a nice warm atmosphere but only with N2 and O2 you will see no infrared heat radiation from it. (well not until it is really HOT). However, if into that warm atmosphere you add CO2 then after it has been hit by high energy N2 and O2 it will vibrate enough to radiate the IR. You do not need ANY heat from the ground for CO2 to start radiating in the atmosphere. CO2 is therefore actually cooling the atmosphere. It does that even as it may get hit by IR from the ground which it almost immediately radiates, unless one of the collisions with a molecule of N2 or O2 happens in the short period between being hit by IR from the surface and the CO2 molecule radiating it.
The next question is does that radiation capture and give away to N2 or O2 actually warm the atmosphere? As soon as the N2 and O2 has all that extra kinetic energy it needs more space - the volume of air that it is in expands and rises and the kinetic energy is converted to potential energy as it does the work to raise the volume of air. It ceases to be heat energy and the volume of air cools - in line with the adiabatic lapse rate. If there is water involved as there almost always is then the water will decrease the temperature even more as it absorbs latent heat of state change.
But as the Paris treaty is coming up in around 8 months time we are going to be screeched at more and more about the critical threat to the biosphere from the average temperature going up perhaps by 0.02C (with a 62% chance that it actually was cooler than that) There is a huge amount of money at stake a lot of it tax money bet by politicians who will get the payout to make them rich as croesus and give them a world government - so we will see more and more stories to try to sway the gullibles.
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 26, 2015 18:49:01 GMT
King Knut, contrary to popular mythology, sat in a throne below the high tide line on the beach and 'commanded the tide not to rise' to show that there was no way that even with his Kingly powers nature would obey him. That we now need a similar King Knut to show the same thing to the more gullible amongst us is unfortunate. Climate change is as unstoppable as the earth's rotation in its orbit around the Sun. There has been no valid proof of any major human impact on climate. Minor changes in local weather yes such as that caused by building towns (Urban Heat Islands) by farmers with particular crops (I suppose these should be called rural heat islands) and by greens carrying out slash and burn farming in rain forest areas to replace the natural forests with palm oil - to save the climate but leading to less down wind rain. However, while CO2 has been shown to increase plant growth by reducing heat and drought stress resulting in measurable greening of the deserts. There is no observational evidence whatsoever that CO2 is causing any measurable change in the heat retained in the real world atmosphere - none whatsoever. The proofs that were meant to show were things like a tropical tropospheric hotspot, it is in every single model but it is not there in the real world. Meanwhile the press goes into hyperbolic raptures about an unmeasurable rise of two hundredths of one degree centigrade in a fudged 'Global Average Temperature' as the Earth stops warming after the Little Ice Age. I have no problems with people trying to reduce their impact on the environment - I do have problems when the leugen presse support political actions that are aimed at wealth redistribution often to those same politicians and bringing down western economies based on mythical threats. Especially, as this comes at a time when "a child dies every 5 seconds from starvation and related causes" and similar numbers from treatable diseases when even UNICEF says that $1 would save a life. So instead of giving climate 'scientists' and inefficient 'green power' another $1billion the politicians could almost wipe out deaths due to starvation in Africa and Asia. So why aren't they doing it? Look up the Science Tzar's previous work where John Holdren was happily talking about forced abortion and lacing the water supplies with contraceptive chemicals. A lot of our politics is based on Malthusian theory of resources running out due to 'the poor people breeding' and has led to misanthropic policies by our 'leaders'. Policies that they dress up as saving the planet from 'climate change' - see earlier on King Knut. I'm not so sure. I'm not scientist but this looks convincing. Scientists training their instruments on the skies have caught the world’s major greenhouse gas right in the act of warming the planet, researchers reported Wednesday, providing the first direct evidence that human activity is dangerously altering the environment. www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/instruments-catch-carbon-in-the-act-of-warming-sky/I talked to the author yesterday, in regards to the paper in this article. I have a copy of the paper, havne't had time to go all the way through it. One item that he seems to have left out is the SW radiation values, but maybe I just can't find that graph yet..... Will be talking to him again.
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Post by walnut on Feb 26, 2015 19:39:09 GMT
I'm burning lots of sooty and sulfurous diesel in heavy equipment and shipping rocks across the continent on 8 MPG semi trucks.
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Post by acidohm on Feb 26, 2015 20:43:40 GMT
I'm burning lots of sooty and sulfurous diesel in heavy equipment and shipping rocks across the continent on 8 MPG semi trucks. Yeah, but could you have done it on a more efficient way Walnut?
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Post by walnut on Feb 26, 2015 20:46:33 GMT
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Post by walnut on Feb 26, 2015 20:56:58 GMT
More efficient to me only means decreasing the cost of production. That is the real world, not a liberal fictional world.
I am a little more concerned with tearing up the landscape, not some vague ethereal notion of my exhaust fumes increasing global temperatures by .0000000000000000000001 degree.
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Post by birder on Feb 26, 2015 21:25:21 GMT
Since I grew aware of how much climate change impacts our lives, I've tried to implement a more greener lifestyle. And my ideas are even reaching my wife, parents and even some friends. However, I would like to know what you are doing to fight the climate change. Here it is a list of the changes I've already done: 1 - I only use my car in the weekends and only if I need to. I travel to work by bus. 2 - I'm cutting off the red meat from all my meals. 3 - I don't use plastic bags anymore. When I go to the supermarket I use a cloth bag. To finish, I'll leave here a post with tips to help stop the climate change: abcofsolar.com/10-simple-things-you-can-do-to-help-the-world-climate/ Looking forward to your answers! As I was hoping that England would soon have a Mediteranean climate I have been doing 20,000 miles a year in my car and using as much gas and electricity that I can afford. As there is talk of charging for plastic carrier bags in supermarkets I am collecting as many as possible just in case. However as I now believe we are going into a cold period I think I'm wasting my time. I do think that the world is overpopulated and that it would be a good thing to bring in population control as in China and also heavily tax anyone who wants more than one child.
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Post by acidohm on Feb 26, 2015 22:24:25 GMT
Sorry...should have added to my post...
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 26, 2015 22:34:49 GMT
King Knut, contrary to popular mythology, sat in a throne below the high tide line on the beach and 'commanded the tide not to rise' to show that there was no way that even with his Kingly powers nature would obey him. That we now need a similar King Knut to show the same thing to the more gullible amongst us is unfortunate. Climate change is as unstoppable as the earth's rotation in its orbit around the Sun. There has been no valid proof of any major human impact on climate. Minor changes in local weather yes such as that caused by building towns (Urban Heat Islands) by farmers with particular crops (I suppose these should be called rural heat islands) and by greens carrying out slash and burn farming in rain forest areas to replace the natural forests with palm oil - to save the climate but leading to less down wind rain. However, while CO2 has been shown to increase plant growth by reducing heat and drought stress resulting in measurable greening of the deserts. There is no observational evidence whatsoever that CO2 is causing any measurable change in the heat retained in the real world atmosphere - none whatsoever. The proofs that were meant to show were things like a tropical tropospheric hotspot, it is in every single model but it is not there in the real world. Meanwhile the press goes into hyperbolic raptures about an unmeasurable rise of two hundredths of one degree centigrade in a fudged 'Global Average Temperature' as the Earth stops warming after the Little Ice Age. I have no problems with people trying to reduce their impact on the environment - I do have problems when the leugen presse support political actions that are aimed at wealth redistribution often to those same politicians and bringing down western economies based on mythical threats. Especially, as this comes at a time when "a child dies every 5 seconds from starvation and related causes" and similar numbers from treatable diseases when even UNICEF says that $1 would save a life. So instead of giving climate 'scientists' and inefficient 'green power' another $1billion the politicians could almost wipe out deaths due to starvation in Africa and Asia. So why aren't they doing it? Look up the Science Tzar's previous work where John Holdren was happily talking about forced abortion and lacing the water supplies with contraceptive chemicals. A lot of our politics is based on Malthusian theory of resources running out due to 'the poor people breeding' and has led to misanthropic policies by our 'leaders'. Policies that they dress up as saving the planet from 'climate change' - see earlier on King Knut. I'm not so sure. I'm not scientist but this looks convincing. Scientists training their instruments on the skies have caught the world’s major greenhouse gas right in the act of warming the planet, researchers reported Wednesday, providing the first direct evidence that human activity is dangerously altering the environment. www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/instruments-catch-carbon-in-the-act-of-warming-sky/Okkkkk. Read the paper, talked to author again. He is a smart feller, but suffers from Ivory Tower syndrome. He didn't bother to include the far left IR spectrum. Guess what saturated the far left IR spectrum? You guessed it H2O vapor. Shit, he didn't even measure it. 2. The new CO2 satellite puts his CO2 measurements on their head. 3. He didn't take into account the DIFFERENT color of the ground!!!! And WHAT effect that would have on his measurements. He DID observe the difference in the radiation between summer and winter. Buttt....a GREEN surface is a totally DIFFERENT surface than a bleak surface OR a barren surface. Gosh....durn it! The guy was a NICE guy....the guy was a SMART guy.....but....so smart that he forgot common sense.
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Post by Ratty on Feb 26, 2015 23:23:09 GMT
I do my part. I stop breathing one minute in every ten.
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 26, 2015 23:30:31 GMT
What am I doing to stop climate change? Nothing.
IF you think you, or anyone, or even everyone, can stop climate change, I have a bridge on the back 40 that needs to be sold and moved.
All reasonable offers will be totally scrutinized.
Cash up front.....that GREEN stuff.
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