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Post by missouriboy on Dec 29, 2019 0:36:08 GMT
I preface this with the fact I've been out of the loop a number of years now, but the operators of the wells are the ones responsible for the well site and plugging the well, not the fracking company. The fracking company is generally a subcontractor (service company) that comes in to do the fracking for the well operator. Operators are bonded as surety for cleanup. As for the wastewater, it is not generally even close to being as toxic as most media will lead you to believe. Many times operators will store the water in a lined surface tank to reuse on another well at the same location. Given the components I've seen in return water from fracking, I'm personally not concerned about the toxicity of it. There are very few chemicals added. It is more of a medium to carry sand into the wells to prop open the tiny cracks from the fracking process to help the well produce more prolifically. I have NEVER heard of any company considering or actually dumping the produced water in "rivers and streams." The entire article appears to be intent on promoting an agenda based on fear and not fact. I live and work in Texas surrounded by thousands of fracked wells. There is not a an abundance of concern by the locals of the fear promoted in the article. This reminds me of a conversation I had with a young lady in New York State concerned about fracking adversely affecting water wells. If you understood well architecture and oil and gas risks, you'd understand fracking (here) occurs around 8 or 9 thousand feet. The water wells are in the 200 - 500 foot depth. The well operator (producer) risks ruining the well if the frack goes beyond the producing pay zone (from (25 - 800 feet here) at the 8-9k depth. The issue with the water wells is mainly getting a good cement job to seal off all the zones the well-bore passes through. It is not a fracking risk. Fracking has made the US energy independent. It is a prime example of technology improving production and lowering energy costs significantly. New York is sitting on top of The Marcellus Shale formation. Though the upstate region basically has no economy, New York City rules the state and has outlawed fracking. The propaganda machine against fracking here is incredible. Fracking would transform upstate NY but the urban rulers will not allow it. Anatomical fracking could do wonders for their attitude. You need to learn "the Yell" Blu.
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Post by youngjasper on Dec 29, 2019 3:56:34 GMT
I preface this with the fact I've been out of the loop a number of years now, but the operators of the wells are the ones responsible for the well site and plugging the well, not the fracking company. The fracking company is generally a subcontractor (service company) that comes in to do the fracking for the well operator. Operators are bonded as surety for cleanup. As for the wastewater, it is not generally even close to being as toxic as most media will lead you to believe. Many times operators will store the water in a lined surface tank to reuse on another well at the same location. Given the components I've seen in return water from fracking, I'm personally not concerned about the toxicity of it. There are very few chemicals added. It is more of a medium to carry sand into the wells to prop open the tiny cracks from the fracking process to help the well produce more prolifically. I have NEVER heard of any company considering or actually dumping the produced water in "rivers and streams." The entire article appears to be intent on promoting an agenda based on fear and not fact. I live and work in Texas surrounded by thousands of fracked wells. There is not a an abundance of concern by the locals of the fear promoted in the article. This reminds me of a conversation I had with a young lady in New York State concerned about fracking adversely affecting water wells. If you understood well architecture and oil and gas risks, you'd understand fracking (here) occurs around 8 or 9 thousand feet. The water wells are in the 200 - 500 foot depth. The well operator (producer) risks ruining the well if the frack goes beyond the producing pay zone (from (25 - 800 feet here) at the 8-9k depth. The issue with the water wells is mainly getting a good cement job to seal off all the zones the well-bore passes through. It is not a fracking risk. Fracking has made the US energy independent. It is a prime example of technology improving production and lowering energy costs significantly. New York is sitting on top of The Marcellus Shale formation. Though the upstate region basically has no economy, New York City rules the state and has outlawed fracking. The propaganda machine against fracking here is incredible. Fracking would transform upstate NY but the urban rulers will not allow it. The sad part about not allowing development of the mineral resources is that it negatively impacts the owners of the mineral rights from financially benefiting from the development of their mineral interests which in many cases can be an enormous life changing benefit from a financial standpoint. One must consider both sides when evaluating such matters, but that is unfortunately not done very much.
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Post by walnut on Dec 29, 2019 5:55:10 GMT
We are having a little boom in the area from about Eufaula OK east towards Arkansas. Several really big rigs have set up close by. Been feeling a spooky low hz rumble during the days, miles from the rigs.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 3, 2020 10:51:23 GMT
Theo has some support here...
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Post by Ratty on Jan 3, 2020 23:10:15 GMT
Theo has some support here... Well not from the weather around here Or here. The ' debate' is lost in Australia. It's burn, burn, burn.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 3, 2020 23:58:03 GMT
Well not from the weather around here Or here. The ' debate' is lost in Australia. It's burn, burn, burn. Except...
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 3, 2020 23:58:40 GMT
And....
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 4, 2020 1:54:55 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 4, 2020 8:41:07 GMT
This was published in 2015. Forest fuel levels have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology", vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned. Mr Packham said if the government scrapped the planned burning target it would have to be prepared to accept the consequences. "If they do decide that, and it's a democratic country, they can decide that, but I want them to stand up and take responsibility when the outcome falls apart," he said.
So Ratty ... whose going to make them stand up and take responsibility?
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Post by Ratty on Jan 4, 2020 23:23:42 GMT
This was published in 2015. Forest fuel levels have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology", vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned. Mr Packham said if the government scrapped the planned burning target it would have to be prepared to accept the consequences. "If they do decide that, and it's a democratic country, they can decide that, but I want them to stand up and take responsibility when the outcome falls apart," he said.
So Ratty ... whose going to make them stand up and take responsibility? There is a lot of anger directed towards the Greens but .... hazard reduction is not as straightforward as it might seem: Weather conditions, permits, bureaucracy, protests, health issues. Luckily, the Nerang State Forest which we border was burned last Winter.
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Post by acidohm on Jan 5, 2020 0:48:21 GMT
This was published in 2015. Forest fuel levels have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology", vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned. Mr Packham said if the government scrapped the planned burning target it would have to be prepared to accept the consequences. "If they do decide that, and it's a democratic country, they can decide that, but I want them to stand up and take responsibility when the outcome falls apart," he said.
So Ratty ... whose going to make them stand up and take responsibility? There is a lot of anger directed towards the Greens but .... hazard reduction is not as straightforward as it might seem: Weather conditions, permits, bureaucracy, protests, health issues. Luckily, the Nerang State Forest which we border was burned last Winter. So you're ok?? One thing I've seen is authorities stating they couldn't burn in winter as CC reduced the optimum conditions over winter 🤷🏼♂️ I don't know if thats true....
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 5, 2020 2:37:25 GMT
There is a lot of anger directed towards the Greens but .... hazard reduction is not as straightforward as it might seem: Weather conditions, permits, bureaucracy, protests, health issues. Luckily, the Nerang State Forest which we border was burned last Winter. So you're ok?? One thing I've seen is authorities stating they couldn't burn in winter as CC reduced the optimum conditions over winter 🤷🏼♂️ I don't know if thats true.... CC = Climate Change?? ?? Hazard reduction can include the "removal" of many types of combustible material. Having been a very moderate green in my younger days, I can testify that there are many varieties of "green". Some of them burn quite nicely. Some even self-combust. Either way, they need to be removed to concrete jungles where they can be observed and controlled. The forested semi-arid Colorado Plateau around Flagstaff actively required both thinning and burning. Pictures of the old pre or early settlement Ponderosa forests record only a few trees per acre. A century of fire suppression resulted in a massive "thickening" and accumulation of combustible materials that allow fires to rapidly climb into the canopies and expand at speed. Don't know about your "eucalips", but was told they require fire in their lifecycle.
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Post by Ratty on Jan 5, 2020 5:25:50 GMT
There is a lot of anger directed towards the Greens but .... hazard reduction is not as straightforward as it might seem: Weather conditions, permits, bureaucracy, protests, health issues. Luckily, the Nerang State Forest which we border was burned last Winter. So you're ok?? One thing I've seen is authorities stating they couldn't burn in winter as CC reduced the optimum conditions over winter 🤷🏼♂️ I don't know if thats true.... No problems where we are ... now. Not so for a friend in Bundanoon, NSW. We have never seen a natural disaster so horribly and unfairly politicised
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 5, 2020 5:49:13 GMT
That is really the kind of excitement that one never wants or needs. Glad everyone is safe.
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Post by acidohm on May 10, 2020 17:24:05 GMT
Profile says last here march 25th. Tbh his FB page is mainly coronavirus stuff atm....
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