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Post by Ratty on Jun 14, 2015 13:25:25 GMT
Where is Steve now?
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Post by Andrew on Jun 14, 2015 14:18:29 GMT
Hopefully in a kinder, gentler more rational place than this place ever is.
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Post by icefisher on Jun 15, 2015 1:20:07 GMT
Steve was trying to convince me of something fairly simple that is despite being simple it can't be proven. You seem to be of the opinion that if the concept is simple it must be right.
And I did not set out to defend Nautonnier. I asked you to produce evidence of Nautonnier saying that Leif did not believe the sun wobbles. Nautonnier is a very smart and thoughtful fellow and Leif is a knowledgeable solar scientist. I thought maybe you were making something up so I asked for evidence. You failed to produce any explicit evidence proving either 1) you were lying; or 2) you surmised it from non-explicit comments. The results of the investigation established that you could not find any evidence to support your allegations.
You see it as an unreasonably dogged defense of Nautonnier. I saw it as a necessary step to take before believing anything at all about anything you say.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 15, 2015 1:35:27 GMT
The planets follow the sun as the sun is their leader.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 15, 2015 4:18:57 GMT
I asked you to produce evidence of Nautonnier saying that Leif did not believe the sun wobbles. Nautonnier is a very smart and thoughtful fellow and Leif is a knowledgeable solar scientist. I thought maybe you were making something up so I asked for evidence. You failed to produce any explicit evidence proving either 1) you were lying; or 2) you surmised it from non-explicit comments. The results of the investigation established that you could not find any evidence to support your allegations. You are blocked until you read that link already quoted by you in reply to me. Somebody else will have to message me to say you have complied with this simple request.
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Post by icefisher on Jun 15, 2015 4:26:47 GMT
I asked you to produce evidence of Nautonnier saying that Leif did not believe the sun wobbles. Nautonnier is a very smart and thoughtful fellow and Leif is a knowledgeable solar scientist. I thought maybe you were making something up so I asked for evidence. You failed to produce any explicit evidence proving either 1) you were lying; or 2) you surmised it from non-explicit comments. The results of the investigation established that you could not find any evidence to support your allegations. You are blocked until you read that link. That link? What link? I see no link! So I don't miss it why not copy and paste the text and provide a link?
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Post by Andrew on Jun 15, 2015 4:33:43 GMT
The planets follow the sun as the sun is their leader. The solar system is glued together with gravity. Therefore, by definition, the Sun is continually falling and the planets are continually falling
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Post by acidohm on Jun 15, 2015 8:19:39 GMT
The standard of these discussions. ....also falling.....
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Post by Andrew on Jun 15, 2015 9:31:33 GMT
The standard of these discussions. ....also falling..... Oh that is so funny. Just too much. I am falling about laughing that i have been continually called a liar by Icefisher, beginning 4 years ago when I have told no lies whatsoever. It is just so funny.
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Post by acidohm on Jun 15, 2015 12:02:15 GMT
The standard of these discussions. ....also falling..... Oh that is so funny. Just too much. I am falling about laughing that i have been continually called a liar by Icefisher, beginning 4 years ago when I have told no lies whatsoever. It is just so funny. But honestly Andrew...It worth the obvious stress and anguish this causes u? This is just a forum with opinions from posters....It doesn't affect your c.v./resume or anything....
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Post by Andrew on Jun 15, 2015 12:29:33 GMT
Oh that is so funny. Just too much. I am falling about laughing that i have been continually called a liar by Icefisher, beginning 4 years ago when I have told no lies whatsoever. It is just so funny. But honestly Andrew...It worth the obvious stress and anguish this causes u? This is just a forum with opinions from posters....It doesn't affect your c.v./resume or anything.... Why does it matter to you? why do you keep butting in? This is just a forum with opinions from posters blah blah How about you make a contribution to the topic rather than playing therapist?
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Post by icefisher on Jun 15, 2015 14:04:03 GMT
But honestly Andrew...It worth the obvious stress and anguish this causes u? This is just a forum with opinions from posters....It doesn't affect your c.v./resume or anything.... Why does it matter to you? why do you keep butting in? This is just a forum with opinions from posters blah blah How about you make a contribution to the topic rather than playing therapist? Its a natural tendency! When you see somebody laying on their back on a couch screaming in anguish one naturally wants to help. (hope he didn't read that
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Post by acidohm on Jun 15, 2015 14:32:53 GMT
But honestly Andrew...It worth the obvious stress and anguish this causes u? This is just a forum with opinions from posters....It doesn't affect your c.v./resume or anything.... Why does it matter to you? why do you keep butting in? This is just a forum with opinions from posters blah blah How about you make a contribution to the topic rather than playing therapist? Tbh Andrew, I enjoy this forum but don't enjoy your rather odd use of it....I'd rather you didn't behave this way and any therapy I 'offer' is me being polite....otherwise I resort to STFU YOU *******!!!! but I hesitate to be that vulgar..... I have made contributions, however about 5 different topics you contribute to or started just go around in circles. ..nothing is gained, we could now summarise everything that's been said and simply write -due to the need for science to get a better grasp on this subject, multiple conclusions may be drawn from this information, all of which may....or may not be correct- That is the only reasonable position on this subject right now, no matter how much u bang your head against the wall, until science provides new information....There will be NO clarity on barycentre. Of course if the climate does as Astro says, ie no el nino, cold by 2017....that would give weight to his approach....but even for these answers we have to wait....of course if it doesn't. .It doesn't. ..
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Post by gsharp on Jun 15, 2015 14:37:57 GMT
Bit of a poor thread really. Andrew could certainly do better.
I have offered 2 peer reviewed papers that fly in the face of the main topic, but instead of evaluating the evidence it is more desirable to indulge in schoolyard tactics.
I say get a grip and deal with the science.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 15, 2015 20:32:30 GMT
Bit of a poor thread really. Andrew could certainly do better. I have offered 2 peer reviewed papers that fly in the face of the main topic, but instead of evaluating the evidence it is more desirable to indulge in schoolyard tactics. I say get a grip and deal with the science. Geoff, My only interest in this topic was why people here were inventing things about Svalgaard, and all that began way back in September 2013. This particular thread was only created so I could get a poster here, Icefisher, to focus on the confusion of David Thomson who said in the WUWT thread the planets orbited the SSB to which Svalgaard replied "Great confusion......etc" I was greatful to your first contribution here where you confirmed the mainstream scientific view regarding the Earths orbit as explained by Svalgaard in text already brought to this boards attention. You then got stuck into Svalgaard. Are you now satisfied you were misreading Svalgaards comments?
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