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Post by icefisher on Jan 5, 2017 15:53:51 GMT
In large part looking at ocean uptake is robbing peter to pay paul. The surface ocean is well known to trail an atmospheric forcing by somewhere between 8 and 15 years. Folks these are the feedback figures! Most of this new evidence is what the warmists were banking on to continuing the warming after limiting emissions. CO2 went up by 3.71ppm in 2016. We may well be limiting 'our' CO2/CH4 outputs but the horse had already bolted ( obviously!). We were only ever going to light the blue touch paper and Mother N. would do the rest. Northern soils aside the numbers folk bandy around regarding permafrost dwarf our past, and potential future, outputs of GHG's and the 2013 report into the revelations of the Siberian ice caves ( and past parameters for permafrost melt out) . 2016 saw some of the monthly temp max's bust through 1.5c above pre-industrial so how long before 'non Nino influenced' temps rise to this level? Between 2013 and 2016 we put 0.2c on top of the global temp so we may be less than 5 years away from the 'permafrost melt out' temp. Let us also not forget the cowtan/wray temp series that includes the poorly sampled areas esp. the Arctic. We have all seen the physical changes to summer ice since 2000 so where is the 'real' Global temp figure sat right now? If the study confirming the NOAA study stands then we are already in serious trouble! The QBO issues appear to have knocked Nina's chances of appearing on the head so 2017's temps may not lag this 2016 record by very much. with Ocean conditions, across the ENSO regions hinting at another nino forming 2017 will make for a very interesting year! Well one thing for sure with about 2c uncertainty in the absolute mean temperature of the globe scientists tinkering with surface station data will likely have little trouble producing another .01c warming for next year if NASA's prediction for ENSO hitting in the El Nino range by MJJ comes true. My knees are shaking in fear!
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 5, 2017 16:18:17 GMT
Put an aspirin between them Icefisher!
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Post by nonentropic on Jan 5, 2017 18:00:58 GMT
The far more important point is that not unlike humans if the climate is functioning inside the errors little will be noticed up or down. For there to be CAGW the climate must be altered to such a point that it is felt by not only the ecosystems but us. The very fact that my garden is largely the same as it would have been 100 years and the ski fields continue to open and while one pole has less ice the other has more the big C in CAGW will remain missing even if there is an AGW that can be squeezed out of the data. If that isn't enough all the CAGW proponents have to talk about a doom filled future for our Children when they are something like 100 years old. Finally name me a government driven innovation that has worked in the last 100 years, yet we are to believe that the government can predict what innovations will define the next 100 years, read Matt Ridley www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/communisms-centenary/
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Post by icefisher on Jan 6, 2017 0:59:04 GMT
Put an aspirin between them Icefisher! I did, now what do I do with the powder?
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 6, 2017 2:16:21 GMT
Put an aspirin between them Icefisher! I did, now what do I do with the powder? Send it to NASA
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Post by Ratty on Jan 6, 2017 4:41:06 GMT
I did, now what do I do with the powder? Send it to NASA You think there are a few headaches coming up for NASA, Sig?
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Post by icefisher on Jan 6, 2017 7:04:09 GMT
You think there are a few headaches coming up for NASA, Sig? I am sort of thinking that maybe with the House reconstituting the Holman Rule where they can change any public servant's salary to $1 they are getting ready for Trump to assert who is in charge. Maybe similar to what Reagan did in 1981 when he fired 11,000 striking air traffic controller employees who did not return to work when he ordered them. Here are the details of the devastation to the air controllers and their union that Reagan racked up. The controllers thought they were indispensable, kind of like that piece from Michael Mann warning Trump to not intercede. Take heed they will be playing against the most powerful man in the universe. They may get a dose of toxic masculinity. www.politico.com/story/2008/08/reagan-fires-11-000-striking-air-traffic-controllers-aug-5-1981-012292
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Jan 6, 2017 17:03:54 GMT
I'm not sure Mr. Trump is going to make it four years as POTUS. This "Putin hacked the election to get Trump elected" story is a great example of how effectively an entrenched bureaucracy can turn on an executive they fear and bring him down. The story is starting to get legs in the MSM, and some Republicans in Congress are running with it. The obvious goal is to de-legitimize the election. I predict you will soon start seeing reports about "evidence" that Mr. Trump knew and encouraged the Russian effort. This evidence will be used to call for impeachment, and whether that happens or not, efforts will be made to cripple his initiatives because of this. Democrats and Progressives are not pansies like our Republican friends when it comes to going all out to bring down a POTUS they find offensive.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 6, 2017 18:28:50 GMT
I'm not sure Mr. Trump is going to make it four years as POTUS. This "Putin hacked the election to get Trump elected" story is a great example of how effectively an entrenched bureaucracy can turn on an executive they fear and bring him down. The story is starting to get legs in the MSM, and some Republicans in Congress are running with it. The obvious goal is to de-legitimize the election. I predict you will soon start seeing reports about "evidence" that Mr. Trump knew and encouraged the Russian effort. This evidence will be used to call for impeachment, and whether that happens or not, efforts will be made to cripple his initiatives because of this. Democrats and Progressives are not pansies like our Republican friends when it comes to going all out to bring down a POTUS they find offensive. That could have nasty consequences on the 'firing' line of history. Pun recognized but not intended. Good to see ya online again.
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Post by icefisher on Jan 6, 2017 21:49:45 GMT
I'm not sure Mr. Trump is going to make it four years as POTUS. This "Putin hacked the election to get Trump elected" story is a great example of how effectively an entrenched bureaucracy can turn on an executive they fear and bring him down. The story is starting to get legs in the MSM, and some Republicans in Congress are running with it. The obvious goal is to de-legitimize the election. I predict you will soon start seeing reports about "evidence" that Mr. Trump knew and encouraged the Russian effort. This evidence will be used to call for impeachment, and whether that happens or not, efforts will be made to cripple his initiatives because of this. Democrats and Progressives are not pansies like our Republican friends when it comes to going all out to bring down a POTUS they find offensive. Perhaps but for any republican to go along with that will bring about dire consequences for that republican. Perhaps McCain does not care being as old as he is, but one cannot underestimate the popularity of Trump's programs. Even the democrats have a large constituency of these people. Not quite the Reagan democrats but close. I don't think the American people are ready to impeach Trump with anything less than hard core evidence. Trump's smart alec remarks about hoping the Russians would release Hilliary's 33,000 erased emails isn't going swim much less fly. As I see it Russia is mostly on the outs because of NOT going along with this globalization super enrichment of the elites idea. The were on that side long before Brexit and long before Trump or Sanders started speaking of the same thing. This is a huge deal. Even the environmental community has a foot in this door with their "local" programs that they are constantly betraying by having a foot in the "globalization" programs. Its pretty clear that the more remote and high ultimate authority rises the less we will be free. Our founders knew that in the 18th century. Some of us living in heavily populated states are feeling that power is centered far too high for the ordinary person. California should be broken up into at least 4 states, 6 might be better for many. Sonora, Jefferson, Sacramento, San Joaquin, North California, and South California. pls. Of course if they did that it would probably be better of South California did drop off into the ocean from a giant earthquake because while supporting by far the largest population of the 6 states they would not have any water. Of course there might not really be any need for water as they could import all they need in 16oz plastic bottles.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 6, 2017 22:57:13 GMT
I'm not sure Mr. Trump is going to make it four years as POTUS. This "Putin hacked the election to get Trump elected" story is a great example of how effectively an entrenched bureaucracy can turn on an executive they fear and bring him down. The story is starting to get legs in the MSM, and some Republicans in Congress are running with it. The obvious goal is to de-legitimize the election. I predict you will soon start seeing reports about "evidence" that Mr. Trump knew and encouraged the Russian effort. This evidence will be used to call for impeachment, and whether that happens or not, efforts will be made to cripple his initiatives because of this. Democrats and Progressives are not pansies like our Republican friends when it comes to going all out to bring down a POTUS they find offensive. Perhaps but for any republican to go along with that will bring about dire consequences for that republican. Perhaps McCain does not care being as old as he is, but one cannot underestimate the popularity of Trump's programs. Even the democrats have a large constituency of these people. Not quite the Reagan democrats but close. I don't think the American people are ready to impeach Trump with anything less than hard core evidence. Trump's smart alec remarks about hoping the Russians would release Hilliary's 33,000 erased emails isn't going swim much less fly. As I see it Russia is mostly on the outs because of NOT going along with this globalization super enrichment of the elites idea. The were on that side long before Brexit and long before Trump or Sanders started speaking of the same thing. This is a huge deal. Even the environmental community has a foot in this door with their "local" programs that they are constantly betraying by having a foot in the "globalization" programs. Its pretty clear that the more remote and high ultimate authority rises the less we will be free. Our founders knew that in the 18th century. Some of us living in heavily populated states are feeling that power is centered far too high for the ordinary person. California should be broken up into at least 4 states, 6 might be better for many. Sonora, Jefferson, Sacramento, San Joaquin, North California, and South California. pls. Of course if they did that it would probably be better of South California did drop off into the ocean from a giant earthquake because while supporting by far the largest population of the 6 states they would not have any water. Of course there might not really be any need for water as they could import all they need in 16oz plastic bottles. Perhaps Southern California might want to re-join Mexico (snicker, snicker). Bye-bye Disneyland.
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Post by Ratty on Jan 6, 2017 23:32:29 GMT
[ Snip ] Perhaps Southern California might want to re-join Mexico (snicker, snicker). Bye-bye Disneyland. What impact would that have on construction of the wall?
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 6, 2017 23:36:06 GMT
[ Snip ] Perhaps Southern California might want to re-join Mexico (snicker, snicker). Bye-bye Disneyland. What impact would that have on construction of the wall? It would put a 'crook' in the vector.
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Post by icefisher on Jan 7, 2017 0:50:36 GMT
Perhaps Southern California might want to re-join Mexico (snicker, snicker). Bye-bye Disneyland. If Mexico will take Hollywood too, you got a deal!
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 7, 2017 13:18:55 GMT
I'm not sure Mr. Trump is going to make it four years as POTUS. This "Putin hacked the election to get Trump elected" story is a great example of how effectively an entrenched bureaucracy can turn on an executive they fear and bring him down. The story is starting to get legs in the MSM, and some Republicans in Congress are running with it. The obvious goal is to de-legitimize the election. I predict you will soon start seeing reports about "evidence" that Mr. Trump knew and encouraged the Russian effort. This evidence will be used to call for impeachment, and whether that happens or not, efforts will be made to cripple his initiatives because of this. Democrats and Progressives are not pansies like our Republican friends when it comes to going all out to bring down a POTUS they find offensive. In that position I would ask those 'republicans' if interference in elections was so heinous whether they had supported similar activities by the CIA to affect elections in other countries and in view of the lack of morals they claim that shows, shouldn't they consider their positions and resign? I think that a lot now depends on the next 2 years. If Trump and his Administration actually meets the 'contract' that he announced at the end of October then 'We The People' will start steamrollering 'the establishment'. One of the most important actions here is imposition of term limits. If that passes, then the cozy puppeteer billionaire<->lobbyist<->career politician<->strategist cabals will be destroyed. This is why the ban on recycling from congress or administration back out to lobbyist, as that removes a revolving door approach. I think you are right the 'establishment' are facing an existential threat from Trump. However, do not underestimate his power to pull the rug out from under them with more information on their work with foreign powers and NWO. The Podesta's are in glass house and will not want to throw stones. I think that the rush to get the Russian interference public was to protect the political senior levels of the intelligence services. They are just as politicised or more correctly democrat leaning as the IRS and the Attorney Generals department. This means that Trump immediately removing them could be called retribution. Politicization of the civil service is the standard approach by progressives, when Tony Blair moved into power the UK civil service was politicized quite rapidly to entrench the progressive attitudes. This is continued by Common Purpose (look it up). Removing this political bias will not be easy except by gross changes of the law, and it is one of the reasons for gutting the Tax Code in the US, so the IRS ceases to have power. Watch for reorganizations for 'efficiency' to cut down the number of 'layers' of management in the intelligence agencies with coalface operatives and analysts being only say 3 management layers from the top. This would 'drain the swamp' of middle to top managers whose sole task is to 'tune' the information politically.
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