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Post by Ratty on Mar 5, 2018 5:00:53 GMT
Whoever it is posts as "CO2islife" and has the blog under that name It may be possible to find out I've left a message on the blog. Response: "Writers remain anonymous. Articles are usually well documented so the data and conclusions should be well supported."
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Post by duwayne on Mar 5, 2018 19:43:09 GMT
Nautonnier, what is the significance of the statement you've quoted?
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Post by duwayne on Mar 7, 2018 22:14:31 GMT
Nautonnier, what is the significance of the statement you've quoted? Nautonnier, I still am interested in what conclusions you draw from the quote above.
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 8, 2018 11:25:29 GMT
Nautonnier, what is the significance of the statement you've quoted? Nautonnier, I still am interested in what conclusions you draw from the quote above. Sorry I have been working and traveling rather a lot.. My understanding is that when you use the frequency of infrared from CO2 to as a thermal measure as with a thermal imaging camera, the radiation frequencies that are observed equate to 200K (minus 73degC) the kind of temperatures seen in the upper atmosphere not usually in the troposphere. It is just pointing out that the claims of downwelling infrared from the lower troposphere are not borne out by the thermal values of that radiation. I found a reference but I am on a spare laptop - I will add the paper when I get back to the deep South at the weekend
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Post by Ratty on Mar 8, 2018 12:28:07 GMT
Better the Deep South ** than the Deep State, eh Naut. ** Does Florida qualify?
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 8, 2018 15:22:28 GMT
Better the Deep South ** than the Deep State, eh Naut. ** Does Florida qualify? We're South of the 'Deep South' anything North of the Georgia border is 'The Great White North' from a Florida point of view.
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Post by duwayne on Mar 9, 2018 0:03:47 GMT
Nautonnier, I still am interested in what conclusions you draw from the quote above. Sorry I have been working and traveling rather a lot.. My understanding is that when you use the frequency of infrared from CO2 to as a thermal measure as with a thermal imaging camera, the radiation frequencies that are observed equate to 200K (minus 73degC) the kind of temperatures seen in the upper atmosphere not usually in the troposphere. It is just pointing out that the claims of downwelling infrared from the lower troposphere are not borne out by the thermal values of that radiation. I found a reference but I am on a spare laptop - I will add the paper when I get back to the deep South at the weekend I don't think the article supports your conclusion. The article supports the use of Modtran which is used to measure the greenhouse gas effect. A direct CO2 warming number of 3 watts per square meter is quoted for 1 case in the article and the comment is that this number is very low. However, the IPCC uses 3.7 watts per square meter which is in the same ballpark. Certainly, there is no hint that downwelling of infrared doesn't occur.
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 9, 2018 1:51:08 GMT
Sorry I have been working and traveling rather a lot.. My understanding is that when you use the frequency of infrared from CO2 to as a thermal measure as with a thermal imaging camera, the radiation frequencies that are observed equate to 200K (minus 73degC) the kind of temperatures seen in the upper atmosphere not usually in the troposphere. It is just pointing out that the claims of downwelling infrared from the lower troposphere are not borne out by the thermal values of that radiation. I found a reference but I am on a spare laptop - I will add the paper when I get back to the deep South at the weekend I don't think the article supports your conclusion. The article supports the use of Modtran which is used to measure the greenhouse gas effect. A direct CO2 warming number of 3 watts per square meter is quoted for 1 case in the article and the comment is that this number is very low. However, the IPCC uses 3.7 watts per square meter which is in the same ballpark. Certainly, there is no hint that downwelling of infrared doesn't occur. But where does that downwelling infrared come from? CO2 in the warm lower atmosphere or CO2 in the cold stratosphere?
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 18, 2018 17:21:14 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Mar 18, 2018 23:33:49 GMT
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Post by douglavers on Mar 20, 2018 19:19:45 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 20, 2018 21:07:49 GMT
A trifle cool, and as the 'warm amplified Arctic' was being used to lift the Global Average Surface Temperature ......
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 21, 2018 0:53:01 GMT
A trifle cool, and as the 'warm amplified Arctic' was being used to lift the Global Average Surface Temperature ...... Wanna bet it's still bright red in the next anomaly map? I hate being a cynic.
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Post by Ratty on Mar 21, 2018 1:52:23 GMT
A trifle cool, and as the 'warm amplified Arctic' was being used to lift the Global Average Surface Temperature ...... Wanna bet it's still bright red in the next anomaly map? I hate being a cynic. No you don't.
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Post by acidohm on Mar 21, 2018 9:50:39 GMT
A trifle cool, and as the 'warm amplified Arctic' was being used to lift the Global Average Surface Temperature ...... Wanna bet it's still bright red in the next anomaly map? I hate being a cynic. It ain't now....ill bet there's blue.
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