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Post by nautonnier on Jan 17, 2019 21:13:12 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 18, 2019 15:22:04 GMT
What the author of that article misses, together with those who repeatedly quote: “Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” from the Statue of Liberty. Is the modern 'welfare state'. In the past with 'open borders' where immigrants just had to register and not be a criminal, was that the moment they stepped off the Ellis Island ferry, they had to work or they starved. There was no social security, food stamps, free education, medicaid. The minute an immigrant stepped off the Ellis Island ferry they were on their own and had to have a saleable skill or be willing to work manually. Those kind of manual jobs do not exist to the same level these days. Of course now free education, food stamps, free money... often to a level that the country the migrant came from would call plutocracy. It is not only the US that does this - migrants getting into the US and saying 'asylum' get free room and board in hotels _and_ around $50 a week per head spending money. All this money is taken in taxes from the indigenous population many of which cannot afford it. EXCEPT that thanks to the so called progressive tax rates - 50% of the population pays no tax and so do not see a problem. This 50% are the target voting block for the Democrats.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 18, 2019 21:16:46 GMT
What the author of that article misses, together with those who repeatedly quote: “Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” from the Statue of Liberty. Is the modern 'welfare state'. In the past with 'open borders' where immigrants just had to register and not be a criminal, was that the moment they stepped off the Ellis Island ferry, they had to work or they starved. There was no social security, food stamps, free education, medicaid. The minute an immigrant stepped off the Ellis Island ferry they were on their own and had to have a saleable skill or be willing to work manually. Those kind of manual jobs do not exist to the same level these days. Of course now free education, food stamps, free money... often to a level that the country the migrant came from would call plutocracy. It is not only the US that does this - migrants getting into the US and saying 'asylum' get free room and board in hotels _and_ around $50 a week per head spending money. All this money is taken in taxes from the indigenous population many of which cannot afford it. EXCEPT that thanks to the so called progressive tax rates - 50% of the population pays no tax and so do not see a problem. This 50% are the target voting block for the Democrats. I might also point out that America's original open border period extended roughly from about 1790 to 1890 and coincided with a period when there was a whole fertile continent to settle (at least east of the 100th meridian). And settle it we did with an incoming flood of largely European farmers ... with minimal resistance from a small, scattered population of existing inhabitants. Small farmers carved out the "relatively" prosperous (by 19th century standards) egalitarian social structures that came to dominate the landscape everywhere west of the Appalachians to the Great Plains. The world had probably never seen such an opportunity since R1b peoples expanded into western Europe following the last of the real cold periods about 6000 years ago. Those "city Europeans" that stayed behind in the coastal cities became the laboring masses for the coastal elites of their day. These small farm-dominated economies have been morphing into another structure for the last 100 years with higher living standards and a VASTLY expanded welfare system. I see many arguments for expanding immigration for "skilled" workers. But not many for opening the doors to the teeming masses of the unskilled ... unless we eliminate most of our welfare system. And fat chance of that.
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Post by Ratty on Jan 18, 2019 22:53:40 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 18, 2019 23:00:00 GMT
That's a classic Ratty.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 19, 2019 11:06:26 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Jan 19, 2019 12:06:47 GMT
What is he going to say, Naut?
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 19, 2019 12:26:11 GMT
What is he going to say, Naut? I would hazard a guess that he has "found some money" to continue the 'wall' and that he has proposed (is proposing) some level of compromise - perhaps back to the DACA deal - which democrats are not interested in as they only use it as an election issue and it is after the election now. I suspect that there is an intent to wrong foot Pelosi who has left DC probably to her estate in CA as she is so concerned about the government 'shutdown'. He could also announce that he will present the 'State of the Union' from a football stadium near the border to a crowd of 70,000+ without the visual of the democrat 'trained seal' automata sitting standing and clapping (or not) on command from Pelosi (do they realize how stupid they look?). Instead there would be a huge cheering crowd of 'real people' which would make the politicians and their childish games, look small and self-serving (which they are). Oh and a final thought - he could say he has found some money for the wall- and will call off the government shutdown - only after the democrats formally agree not to try to stop him spending that money. - Just a thought
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Post by Ratty on Jan 19, 2019 12:43:15 GMT
More that I could have hoped for ... thanks. Anyone else got ideas?
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 19, 2019 15:13:17 GMT
More that I could have hoped for ... thanks. Anyone else got ideas? Yes ... but Marta says it's not nice ... and not even legal. And Marta is always right.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 19, 2019 21:26:18 GMT
More that I could have hoped for ... thanks. Anyone else got ideas? Close But Pelosi said no from her CA estate before the President presented his ideas. But the optics are now difficult for the Democrats.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 20, 2019 12:39:58 GMT
Yes it's about #Brexit but listen to the uber-blunt Katie Hopkins on the subject - note the significant parallels between #Brexit and Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 20, 2019 18:20:39 GMT
Interesting freshly minted tweet from President Trump. First shot in a long campaign?
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 21, 2019 16:48:28 GMT
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Post by walnut on Jan 21, 2019 17:19:13 GMT
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