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Post by steve on Apr 21, 2009 8:57:59 GMT
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Post by gettingchilly on Apr 21, 2009 9:32:32 GMT
"The online story shows Lockwood referring to the Grand Maximum, and the Sun having been in its top 10% of activity. Does that make you glad to be British?"
Err No.
"If you look carefully at the observations, it's pretty clear that the underlying level of the Sun peaked at about 1985 and what we are seeing is a continuation of a downward trend (in solar activity) that's been going on for a couple of decades."
Oh I see, we are back to the 10th warmest method. So yes we have had a massive burst of solar energy coinciding with the warming but the overall trend is down. Well I don't think anyone would argue that the trend is down it would have been nice if he had mentioned that the sun was at it's warmest for all of the global warming period and was likely the cause don't you agree.
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Post by waxxstatic on Apr 23, 2009 2:35:05 GMT
Saw this article out of the UK today, seems they've discovered the cause of Global Warming. www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1172249/Being-fat-causes-global-warming-say-scientists.htmlObesity causes global warming, say scientists By Daily Mail Reporter Last updated at 12:35 PM on 21st April 2009 Being overweight is bad for the environment as well as your health, according to a study released today. Researchers at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine found that overweight people were likely to be more responsible for carbon emissions than slim people because they consume more food and fuel. The study blamed an increased demand for livestock production for meat, believed to be responsible for 20 per cent of all greenhouse gases due to the toxic methane emitted by cows. They added that a higher dependency on cars was also a contributing factor. Global warming: Obese people are likely to need more food and fuel, causing more carbon emissions than slim people The authors, Phil Edwards and Ian Roberts, said: ‘When it comes to food consumption, moving about in a heavy body is like driving around in a gas guzzler. 'The heavier our bodies become the harder and more unpleasant it is to move about in them and the more dependent we become on our cars. ‘Staying slim is good for health and for the environment. We need to be doing a lot more to reverse the global trend towards fatness, and recognise it as a key factor in the battle to reduce emissions and slow climate change.’ The study found that ‘slim’ nations like Vietnam consume almost 20 per cent less food and so produce fewer carbon emissions than a more overweight population, such as the US, where 40 per cent are obese, the study found. The researchers estimated that a lean population of one billion would emit 1,000million tonnes less carbon dioxide per year than a ‘fat’ nation of the same size. In nearly every country average body mass index (BMI) is rising. Between 1994 and 2004, the average male BMI in England increased from 26 to 27.3, while the average female BMI went up from 25.8 to 26.9 (about 3kg - or half a stone - heavier). The study appears today in the International Journal of Epidemiology.
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Post by jtom on Apr 23, 2009 3:22:08 GMT
How soon before someone proposes a 'carbon-fat-tax' on overweight people - or perhaps just a calorie-based tax on food? They're going to tax us into poverty with the energy carbon-tax, then starve us.
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Post by donmartin on Apr 24, 2009 6:13:24 GMT
The governments have taxed the respective populations into poverty. They now are trying to give it back through bailouts, no interest rate, government spending, etc. And when GM goes down and the tsunami occurs, largely as a result of Gore/Hansen type propaganda and the nonsense of scarcity of oil, combined with the deceit of global warming, etc. we're in for a crasher. Get ready to grab your stuff and run.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Apr 24, 2009 13:15:32 GMT
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Post by daffyduck on Apr 24, 2009 15:06:55 GMT
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Post by skypilot on Apr 24, 2009 16:22:01 GMT
Researchers at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine found that overweight people were likely to be more responsible for carbon emissions than slim people because they consume more food and fuel.
The study blamed an increased demand for livestock production for meat, believed to be responsible for 20 per cent of all greenhouse gases due to the toxic methane emitted by cows.
This type of reporting distortion is more toxic than pure methane.
From Geocraft.com:
Table 3, shows what happens when the effect of water vapor is factored in, and together with all other greenhouse gases expressed as a relative % of the total greenhouse effect.
TABLE 3.
Role of Atmospheric Greenhouse Gases (man-made and natural) as a % of Relative Contribution to the "Greenhouse Effect"
Based on concentrations (ppb) adjusted for heat retention characteristics. -------------------------% of Total-----------% with Water Vapor Water vapor---------------0.000%-------------95.000% Carbon Dioxide (CO2)-----72.369%---------------3.618% Methane (CH4)------------7.100%---------------0.360% Nitrous oxide (N2O)-------19.000%---------------0.950% CFC's(& others)------------1.432%---------------0.072% Total--------------------100.000%------------100.000%
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Post by waxxstatic on Apr 24, 2009 16:49:39 GMT
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Post by curiousgeorge on Apr 24, 2009 21:52:35 GMT
I've been watching this on the tv. Mostly what I heard was a parade of bureaucrats and politicians trying to get some $$ for their particular knothole. Water in SoCal, etc.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Apr 24, 2009 23:17:39 GMT
The study blamed an increased demand for livestock production for meat, believed to be responsible for 20 per cent of all greenhouse gases due to the toxic methane emitted by cows. I wish people would stop pointing fingers at cows. Cattle are probably the single most useful animal on the planet. Besides the obvious meat and dairy, we also use their bones for gelatin (major food ingredient ), their hides for clothing, shoes, purses, glue, and numerous other products, even their manure for fertilizer for those "organic" gardens that are so beloved by environmentalists. 3rd world countries use them for beasts of burden (Oxen). And so on. Might as well go "whole hog", and tax everything living thing on the planet. While I'm on this rant, what about Oxygen? It is ~21% of the atmosphere. It supports combustion, accelerates corrosion, and is toxic to some life. Let's reduce O2 by 50% by 2020. Forests and homes would be saved from burning, many metal products would last longer, etc. , etc. Yes indeed, Oxygen is far worse than CO2!
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Post by donmartin on Apr 25, 2009 0:34:36 GMT
I'd rather be gored by a cow than cowed by a gore.
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Post by socold on Apr 26, 2009 17:31:21 GMT
From Geocraft.com: Table 3, shows what happens when the effect of water vapor is factored in, and together with all other greenhouse gases expressed as a relative % of the total greenhouse effect. TABLE 3. Role of Atmospheric Greenhouse Gases (man-made and natural) as a % of Relative Contribution to the "Greenhouse Effect" Based on concentrations (ppb) adjusted for heat retention characteristics. -------------------------% of Total-----------% with Water Vapor Water vapor---------------0.000%-------------95.000% Carbon Dioxide (CO2)-----72.369%---------------3.618% Methane (CH4)------------7.100%---------------0.360% Nitrous oxide (N2O)-------19.000%---------------0.950% CFC's(& others)------------1.432%---------------0.072% Total--------------------100.000%------------100.000% The figures are wrong
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 27, 2009 0:57:24 GMT
SoCold: Care to give us the correct figures?
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Post by neilhamp on Apr 28, 2009 2:24:07 GMT
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