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Post by Pooh on May 16, 2009 22:56:46 GMT
Pooh, ... advocacy, not critical thinking. Don, Again, agreed. More questions in support of your observations: So what is the heat content of anthropogenic CO 2 in the atmosphere (in joules, please) compared to the heat content in the oceans (where it is stored, together with a lot of CO 2)? In terms of TSI, perhaps (or SSI)? "The observed range (“Coverage”) is 0.05 to 100,000 nanometers within an Electromagnetic Spectrum of 0.000001 to 100,000,000,000 nanometers. " solarcycle24com.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=globalwarming&action=display&thread=468&page=3, Reply # 30. Perhaps there is something else, since temperatures varied higher and lower historically without IPCC gas. Assuming Faukal meant TSI / SSI, your reference to sunspots is appropriate, since these are indicators of the magnetic activity of the sun, and are reasonably associated with climate changes. Shall we assume Faukal has diligently observed and measured other candidate drivers, with continuity, accuracy and stability? Such as: · Clouds and precipitation, · Heat sinks and sources: Oceans and ice sheets, including decadal oscillations · Volcanism, · Solar variability driven by the position of major planets (Vuckovic), · Solar – Earth energy transfer by magnetic fields or particles including electrons, · Solar Wind shielding from Galactic Cosmic Rays and consequent cloud shading, · The position of the Solar System within the Galaxy (Shaviv, Nir. "Cosmic Ray Diffusion from the Galactic Spiral Arms, Iron Meteorites, and a Possible Climatic Connection.” Physical Review Letters, 2007) And found them to have a negligible effect?
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Post by curiousgeorge on May 27, 2009 14:03:03 GMT
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Post by FineWino on May 30, 2009 16:00:55 GMT
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Post by trbixler on Jun 8, 2009 1:05:08 GMT
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jun 10, 2009 23:42:28 GMT
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Post by msphar on Jun 11, 2009 13:05:04 GMT
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Post by trbixler on Jun 14, 2009 3:54:22 GMT
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Post by socold on Jun 14, 2009 11:41:07 GMT
I put forward the suggestion that every year of the past decade you could have found early record breaking snow in some place in the world, or very cold temperatures in summer.
And Christopher Booker could have written an article about it.
Tis called "cherrypicking"
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Post by hilbert on Jun 14, 2009 15:51:38 GMT
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Post by walnut on Jun 15, 2009 5:39:18 GMT
Yahoo generally posts some alarmist climate change headline on almost a daily basis, generally something like "caribou populations are already declining due to global warming" etc. Well today I saw what I was waiting for, a confused article about a glacier which is growing. I wonder if this is the beginning a long, slowly developing trend of facts on the ground confounding the alarmists: news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090615/ap_on_sc/lt_argentina_glacier
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Post by socold on Jun 15, 2009 19:45:31 GMT
The article isn't confused at all.
Some glaciers are growing. Most are declining. That's always been the case over the recent warming period. In fact I would be suprised if there has been any year in the earth's history where every single glacier on earth has been going in the same direction.
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Post by tacoman25 on Jun 15, 2009 20:40:45 GMT
The article isn't confused at all. Some glaciers are growing. Most are declining. That's always been the case over the recent warming period. In fact I would be suprised if there has been any year in the earth's history where every single glacier on earth has been going in the same direction. What is the most recent data showing most glaciers are still declining?
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Post by walnut on Jun 15, 2009 23:31:25 GMT
Socold, I understand your point (obvious that some are receding while some are advancing). I am just surprised to read any story featured on the Yahoo main page which does not try to advance climate change hysteria.
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Post by socold on Jun 18, 2009 19:53:34 GMT
The article isn't confused at all. Some glaciers are growing. Most are declining. That's always been the case over the recent warming period. In fact I would be suprised if there has been any year in the earth's history where every single glacier on earth has been going in the same direction. What is the most recent data showing most glaciers are still declining? Goes up to 2007: www.wgms.ch/mbb/mbb10/Abb2.pdf
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Post by tacoman25 on Jun 18, 2009 23:13:58 GMT
Ok, thanks. It will be interesting to see what the data looks like when 2008 and 2009 are added in.
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