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Post by dopeydog on Sept 9, 2008 21:56:41 GMT
The weekly enso report is showing more and more blue.
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Post by pacman on Sept 9, 2008 22:05:42 GMT
This may be of little interest but yesterday, the godwits had fled their native breeding grounds of western Alaska for the long 13,000km trip to Christchurch NZ where they winter over. The point is that they arrived two weeks earlier than normally expected. A local urban myth is that is a portend for an early summer here. The church bells rang but no-one considered that it may be due to Alaska cooling ahead of normal.
Animals seem to have an instinct for unusual events, earthquakes included of which we have plenty.
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Post by socold on Sept 9, 2008 23:00:14 GMT
NCDC temperature monthly anomalies for Northern Hemisphere: January 2008: +0.10°C February 2008: +0.43°C March 2008: +1.03°C April 2008: +0.51°C May 2008: +0.53°C June 2008: +0.59°C July 2008: +0.55°C Brrr that's cold The satellite temperatures show anomalies much lower than that. Either way, it's significantly cooler than other recent years. The satellite record anomalies are deviations from the 1979-2000 period (or near that), whereas the NCDC ones are 1900-2000 (or near that)
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Post by socold on Sept 9, 2008 23:01:38 GMT
socold - I checked the NCDC web site, and I had some difficulty finding datasets for the NH/SH that extend through August 08. Do you happen to have a link? Thanks! NCDC temperature monthly anomalies for Northern Hemisphere: January 2008: +0.10°C February 2008: +0.43°C March 2008: +1.03°C April 2008: +0.51°C May 2008: +0.53°C June 2008: +0.59°C July 2008: +0.55°C Brrr that's cold The record is here, although it doesn't include August 2008 yet: ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/anomalies/monthly.land_and_ocean.00N.90N.df_1901-2000mean.dat
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Post by twawki on Sept 10, 2008 13:56:10 GMT
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Post by twawki on Sept 10, 2008 14:02:31 GMT
2,000 elderly to die because of cold this winter www.herald.ie/national-news/2000-elderly-to-die-because-of-cold-this-winter-1473078.html"There are between 1,500 and 2,000 additional deaths each winter, compared to the summer, many of whom are older people who die because they cannot afford to keep themselves warm," Age Action chief executive Robin Webster said. .......................................................... So if we get record cold as forecast with energy prices going through the roof because of the AGW scam how many more needless deaths will there be. When you think a couple of million dollars could keep these vulnerable warm and save their lives when instead billions are spent on the global warming scam so environmentalists can wine and dine eachother in Bali.
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Post by twawki on Sept 10, 2008 14:16:00 GMT
Not meaning to labor the point and these articles are from previous years but with cold predicted its a sobering reminder; "The recent cold spell in the central and eastern US has claimed dozens of lives and led to widespread hardship among the poor, the elderly and the homeless. " www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/cold-f05.shtmlBut the cold snap froze the image of a different America onto the front pages of newspapers and television screens: people huddling outside overnight with little but the coats on their backs. Under blankets, newspapers and garbage bags, they slept on city steam grates to keep warm, huddled over fires in vacant lots, or hid out from the freezing wind in cardboard warrens constructed in the tunnels beneath railroad or subway stations. www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,966471,00.html?iid=chix-sphere Homeless persons die on the streets from exposure to the cold. In the coldest areas, homeless persons with a history of frostbite, immersion foot, or hypothermia have an eightfold risk of dying when compared to matched non-homeless. www.healthcenterweek.org/pdf/HardColdFacts.pdfThe warmth is kinder to those who are vulnerable and at risk, the cold is deadly
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 10, 2008 15:36:53 GMT
The warmth is kinder to those who are vulnerable and at risk, the cold is deadly This was a point made repeatedly on the old board. All this panic over warming when the Earth has already been that warm in the medieval period - and London and Amsterdam did not flood. Yet a hard cold of the type that turned Napoleon's army tin buttons to white powder with the cold, had the Thames and the Hudson river frozen over and even ice at the mouth of the Mississippi - that will kill millions of people especially the poor and vulnerable. We should be preparing for the killer cold not for some hypothesized and relatively anodyne warming.
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Post by twawki on Sept 11, 2008 0:08:32 GMT
Hey Nauti
Yeah I agree - we are the lucky ones with warm houses etc but for those who live on the streets they would know the climate much better than we do having to live and die by it. Its not looking good as more and more predictions come out for a NH cold winter - sunspots and even sunspecks have become a rare thing indeed.
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Post by vauss on Sept 11, 2008 3:38:50 GMT
Another update from Valdez, Alaska. As of today, September 10th, we have termination dust well down the higher mountains, and it looks thick enough that it will not melt before winter. Seems about two-three weeks early. Still plenty of snow in a lot of places at higher elevations from last winter due to the cool summer. Lots of rain and cool temps the past week or so in the valley/fjord. Vauss Rocket, update from Alaska. According to the Sunday, Sept. 7 2008 Anchorage Daily News, this is the summer with the 3rd lowest high temps on record. Only the summers of 1971 and 1973 were cooler. National Weather Service in Alaska is quoted as saying "An astonishing 77 percent" of days were colder than normal. Vauss I was going to post this in the S. Hemisphere thread, but... We have reports of Minnesota running 30 days ahead of schedule, temperature-wise. Here in lovely, lovely San Diego, I've observed that the average high temperature for August was ~10F lower than usual. At multiple locations in Southern California. As noted above, this is about 30-60 days ahead of schedule. Oh, and September is following the same trend. Any observations from elsewhere in the N. Hemisphere? Me? I'm checking my ski gear. Should be great this winter!
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Post by rocketsci on Sept 11, 2008 5:34:33 GMT
Thanks, vauss! Just wondering, how often does the high-elevation snow last through the summer? From your post, it sounds like the snow doesn't always stick around. Is this year unusual in that regard for your area? Hmm, another observation of weather that is a almost a month early. Since I'm not a climatologist, does anyone know if the average daily termperature or the daily high temperature dominates seasonality? That is to say, is it the daily mean or the daily high that influences factors such as precipitation and changes in flora/fauna. Ever curious.... Another update from Valdez, Alaska. As of today, September 10th, we have termination dust well down the higher mountains, and it looks thick enough that it will not melt before winter. Seems about two-three weeks early. Still plenty of snow in a lot of places at higher elevations from last winter due to the cool summer. Lots of rain and cool temps the past week or so in the valley/fjord. Vauss Rocket, update from Alaska. According to the Sunday, Sept. 7 2008 Anchorage Daily News, this is the summer with the 3rd lowest high temps on record. Only the summers of 1971 and 1973 were cooler. National Weather Service in Alaska is quoted as saying "An astonishing 77 percent" of days were colder than normal. Vauss
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Post by twawki on Sept 11, 2008 6:00:55 GMT
Hey Vauss if the snow is now staying through summer then are you getting much glacial growth there?
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Post by Belushi TD on Sept 11, 2008 19:11:13 GMT
Well, here in Anchorage this summer we had snow stick around in patches in the Chugach range. No glaciers, just snow patches. Last summer we had two or three patches that lasted, this summer we've had many dozen that have lasted. The previous couple summers, we had none that lasted.
As far as the glaciers go, I've not done any research about it, so I don't know how much/little melt we had at the easily accessible glaciers.
Belushi TD
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Post by rocketsci on Sept 11, 2008 21:31:16 GMT
The glaciers are returning! The glaciers are returning! WERE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! ;D Well, here in Anchorage this summer we had snow stick around in patches in the Chugach range. No glaciers, just snow patches. Last summer we had two or three patches that lasted, this summer we've had many dozen that have lasted. The previous couple summers, we had none that lasted. As far as the glaciers go, I've not done any research about it, so I don't know how much/little melt we had at the easily accessible glaciers. Belushi TD
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Post by vauss on Sept 11, 2008 21:58:14 GMT
Rocket, This is the start of my 19th year in Valdez and I would have to say that this is probably the greatest amount of snow at higher elevations left over that I've seen. 1990 might have been a big year for that as well since the previous winter (89-90) was a record breaker for snow. I just don't have much of a memory of that first summer since I arrived in August of 1990 and didn't pay that much attention. The year after the El Nino in 1998 was quite noticeable as well, but this year seems to have more of a supply. Vauss Thanks, vauss! Just wondering, how often does the high-elevation snow last through the summer? From your post, it sounds like the snow doesn't always stick around. Is this year unusual in that regard for your area? Hmm, another observation of weather that is a almost a month early. Since I'm not a climatologist, does anyone know if the average daily termperature or the daily high temperature dominates seasonality? That is to say, is it the daily mean or the daily high that influences factors such as precipitation and changes in flora/fauna. Ever curious.... Another update from Valdez, Alaska. As of today, September 10th, we have termination dust well down the higher mountains, and it looks thick enough that it will not melt before winter. Seems about two-three weeks early. Still plenty of snow in a lot of places at higher elevations from last winter due to the cool summer. Lots of rain and cool temps the past week or so in the valley/fjord. Vauss
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