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Post by twawki on Oct 5, 2008 12:09:00 GMT
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Post by twawki on Oct 7, 2008 7:15:52 GMT
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Post by peakoil on Oct 7, 2008 11:58:01 GMT
That article is over 8 months old. It is referring to last winter. Stop trying to mislead people.
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Post by twawki on Oct 7, 2008 13:52:41 GMT
That article is over 8 months old. It is referring to last winter. Stop trying to mislead people. There's no misleading - there's no claims the post was any other date than it was, 8 months does not render the news obsolete, and how could it even be assumed it was for this winter when this winter hasn't started yet!
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Post by twawki on Oct 7, 2008 13:57:14 GMT
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Post by twawki on Oct 16, 2008 3:57:33 GMT
Cold temperatures set several new record lows this weekend, including a low of 22 Saturday in downtown Pendleton that broke a 118 year-old record of 24. Record lows started falling Thursday with a new low of 20 for Meacham, four degrees cooler than the previous record from 2006, according to information from the Web site for the National Weather Service Forecast Office in Pendleton. www.eastoregonian.info/print.asp?SectionID=13&SubSectionID=48&ArticleID=83885&TM=29612.53................................................................................................. Two hundred years of glacial shrinkage in Alaska, and then came the winter and summer of 2007-2008. Never before in the history of a research project dating back to 1946 had the Juneau Icefield witnessed the kind of snow buildup that came this year. It was similar on a lot of other glaciers too. www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/53884.html................................................................................................. Temperatures dropped to 31 degrees in the Ukiah Valley on Saturday night and early Sunday morning, the coldest Oct. 12 morning since record keeping began in Ukiah in 1893, said Troy Nicolini, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Eureka. The previous record was 34 degrees in 1916. www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20081014/NEWS/810140335/-1/frontpage?Title=Frost__one_more_thing__for_grape_growers
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Post by twawki on Oct 16, 2008 9:24:18 GMT
Animals say another cold winter; Roland Chiasson of Sackville, president of Nature New Brunswick, said not only are migratory birds, indigenous to the province, gradually heading south, but migratory birds from the Arctic are arriving here to spend their winter. timestranscript.canadaeast.com/news/article/446211
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Post by cyberzombie on Oct 16, 2008 15:37:43 GMT
Animals say another cold winter; Roland Chiasson of Sackville, president of Nature New Brunswick, said not only are migratory birds, indigenous to the province, gradually heading south, but migratory birds from the Arctic are arriving here to spend their winter. timestranscript.canadaeast.com/news/article/446211When is the normal migration time? The article did not mention that...
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Post by Col 'NDX on Oct 16, 2008 17:17:56 GMT
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Post by william on Oct 16, 2008 18:39:47 GMT
Northern Hemisphere, 2008/2009 winter. This should be an unusually cold winter with heavy snow fall. This is a link to a site that provides ocean surface temperature anomalies. The ocean temperatures are starting to cool. www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/climo.htmlDuring a solar magnetic minimum there are more planetary clouds, due to an increase in GCR. More planet cloud cover will cool the planet. An increase in GCR increases cloud cover over the oceans as the atmosphere above the open ocean is ion poor. When the solar heliosphere is weak there is more GCR hence more clouds. In addition to that mechanism solar wind bursts (the sharp spike in blue in this link) remove cloud forming ions by the mechanism which is called "electroscavenging". The solar wind bursts are caused by coronal holes. The last remaining coronal holes are starting to dissapate. www.dxlc.com/solar/
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Post by socold on Oct 16, 2008 19:59:19 GMT
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Post by twawki on Oct 16, 2008 22:25:22 GMT
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Post by kiwistonewall on Oct 16, 2008 22:52:34 GMT
We'd all like somewhere we can have a warm swim, as we are all so cold.
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Post by socold on Oct 16, 2008 22:57:51 GMT
see the link in william's post for example
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Post by william on Oct 17, 2008 3:27:56 GMT
scold, It makes sense that the ocean warmed from 1992 to 2003. There is in the paleo climatic record roughly 27 rapid planetary temperature increases in the last 100000 years. The planet's temperature abruptly falls after the increase. As the abrupt temperature changes correlate with cosmogenic isotope changes, researchers suspected there was a solar connection. Until the last 5 years or so the specific mechanism as to how the solar changes could affect the planet's temperature were not known. It is not TSI changes. This is a link to Palle's earthshine paper. His group measured changes in the planet's albedo by measuring the change in earthshine off of the moon. “The Earthshine Project: update on photometric and spectroscopic measurements”, by E. Palle, P. Rodriguez, P.R. Goode , J. Qiu , V. Yurchyshyn, J. Hickey, M. Chu, E. Kolbe, C.T. Brown, S. Koonin solar.njit.edu/preprints/palle1266.pdf"Solar and terrestrial changes are in phase and contribute to a greater power going into the climate system at activity maximum. However, the effect of the albedo is more than an order of magnitude greater. Our simulations suggest a surface average forcing at the top of the atmosphere, coming only from changes in the albedo from 1994/1995 to 1999/2001, of 2.7 +/-1.4 W/m^2 (Pall_e et al., 2003), while observations give 7.5+/-2.4 W/m^2. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 1995) argues for a comparably sized 2.4 W/m2 increase in forcing, which is attributed to greenhouse gas forcing since 1850." The following is Brian Tinsley’s paper that outlines the mechanisms by which cosmic ray flux changes and solar wind bursts modulate planetary cloud cover. The role of the global electric circuit in solar and internal forcing of clouds and climate by Tinsley et al. www.utdallas.edu/physics/faculty/tinsley/Role%20of%20Global%20Circuit.pdfThe role of the global electric circuit in solar and internal forcing of clouds and climate by Brian Tinsley, G.B. Burns, Limin Zhou "The observed short-term meteorological responses to these five inputs are of small amplitude but high statistical significance for repeated Jz changes of order 5% for low latitudes increasing to 25–30% at high latitudes. On the timescales of multidecadal solar minima, such as the Maunder minimum, changes in tropospheric dynamics and climate related to Jz are also larger at high latitudes, and correlate with the lower energy component ( 1 GeV) of the cosmic ray flux increasing by as much as a factor of two relative to present values. Also, there are comparable cosmic ray flux changes and climate responses on millennial timescales."
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