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Post by jimcripwell on Jun 10, 2009 0:50:28 GMT
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jun 10, 2009 11:47:50 GMT
Interesting indeed. I hope he gets an answer, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by tobyglyn on Jun 10, 2009 21:38:40 GMT
And so it begins... "Senator blows hot and cold on science Stephanie Peatling June 11, 2009 THE Family First senator Steve Fielding has challenged the work of thousands of the world's top scientists, saying he is not convinced by the work done by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change." That bastard, what a cheek. And "The intergovernmental panel, set up by the United Nations Environment Program, represents thousands of the world's top scientists who have spent years examining climate change. Senator Fielding's newfound scepticism is a result of his trip to the US to listen to the Heartland Institute of Chicago, an organisation that is funded by the fossil-fuel industry. The organisation also believes public health campaigns against smoking are based on "junk science". Nice www.smh.com.au/environment/senator-blows-hot-and-cold-on-science-20090610-c3ox.html
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Post by poitsplace on Jun 11, 2009 5:47:15 GMT
Indeed, the environmental groups are going to try like heck to pick apart everything about his life. They'll blame the heartland institute. They'll blame other "deniers". They'll blame "big oil" or "big coal". Then they'll continue to wave around their "thousands of scientists" in the IPCC, of which the head of the IPCC (who is an engineer, BTW) says “something on the order of 20 percent have had some dealing with climate.”
...and they will never answer his very simple question, why hasn't the Earth warmed if our contribution has overwhelmed natural variations for so long.
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Post by jimcripwell on Jun 11, 2009 10:51:47 GMT
According to the reference given by tobyglyn, "Senator Fielding will take up an offer for a briefing from the Chief Scientist, Penny Sackett."
The technology exists for this briefing, word for word, to be distributed on a wrold wide basis. We need to know every single detail that occurred, so that Senator Fielding knows precisely what Penny Scakett really meant.
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Post by jimcripwell on Jun 11, 2009 13:23:57 GMT
poitsplace I am afraid you have got this all wrong. No-one will ever DARE to attack the credentials of Steve Fielding. Remember the most important point. He has a vote in the Australian Senate. If he votes no, then it is all the tea in China to a bad egg that the bill will not pass. And in that event, Australia may very well be heading for an unusual double election. Every man and his dog will be treating Steve Fielding with kid gloves. If he is attacked personally, that would go a long way to persuading him to vote no.
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Post by icefisher on Jun 11, 2009 20:10:40 GMT
poitsplace I am afraid you have got this all wrong. No-one will ever DARE to attack the credentials of Steve Fielding. Remember the most important point. He has a vote in the Australian Senate. If he votes no, then it is all the tea in China to a bad egg that the bill will not pass. And in that event, Australia may very well be heading for an unusual double election. Every man and his dog will be treating Steve Fielding with kid gloves. If he is attacked personally, that would go a long way to persuading him to vote no. Throwing buckets of money is the more process.
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Post by tobyglyn on Jun 21, 2009 9:46:28 GMT
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Post by pacman on Jun 22, 2009 21:18:47 GMT
I have just come across an entry in my local rag 'The Christchurch Press' dated June 23 where Australian Senator Steve Fielding said yesterday that he would not be voting for Kevin Rudd's carbon emission tax - or whatever they call it there. This would appear to doom the scheme the article says. Oddly, I cannot find any other references on the Net.
Fielding states that he is unconvinced on the usual reasons given for climate change. Then he spoils it all by blaming global warming on solar flares. What solar flares? What global warming?
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Post by Ratty on Jun 22, 2009 22:30:09 GMT
In Australia, we have the "Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme" Senator Fielding's questions to Climate Change Minister, Senator Penny Wong: QUESTION 1. Is it the case that CO2 increased by 5% since 1998 whilst global temperature cooled over the same period (see Fig.1)? If so, why did the temperature not increase; and how can human emissions be to blame for dangerous levels of warming? QUESTION 2. Is it the case that the rate and magnitude of warming between 1979 and 1998 (the late 20th century phase of global warming) was not unusual in either rate or magnitude as compared with warmings that have occurred earlier in the Earth's history (Fig. 2a, 2b)? If the warming was not unusual, why is it perceived to have been caused by human CO2 emissions; and, in any event, why is warming a problem if the Earth has experienced similar warmings in the past? QUESTION 3. Is it the case that all GCM computer models projected a steady increase in temperature for the period 1990-2008, whereas in fact there were only 8 years of warming were followed by 10 years of stasis and cooling. (Fig. 3)? If so, why is it assumed that long-term climate projections by the same models are suitable as a basis for public policy making? Note: The Figs referred to can be seen in Fielding's briefing paper here: media.mytalk.com.au/4bc/podcasts/Climate_Briefing_Paper.pdfListen to Bob Carter interview here: media.mytalk.com.au/4bc/podcasts/bobcarter.mp3Keep the faith.
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Post by jimcripwell on Jun 25, 2009 0:39:57 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Jul 13, 2009 22:59:35 GMT
Senator Fielding seeks audience with Prince Gore: www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25775451-11949,00.html "Senator Fielding has written to all Senators alerting them to the idea that carbon dioxide may not be causing warming. "
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Post by jimcripwell on Jul 16, 2009 11:22:08 GMT
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Post by socold on Jul 16, 2009 12:38:33 GMT
"Common sense" that is unfortunately not grounded in science. Kind of like the "common sense" that would lead someone to believe the Earth was flat because otherwise people in Australia would fall off into space.
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Post by notsocold on Jul 16, 2009 19:08:08 GMT
Socold
Yes I know that the truth hurts socold and you are grinding your teeth right now in anger. Take a day off uni and tell them you're a swine and have the flu, that's right isn't it?
socold. 'Kind of like the "common sense" that would lead someone to believe the Earth was flat because otherwise people in Australia would fall off into space.'
But they would still be fine as they would bounce off the high density flaming CO2 layer. They just need to have their asbestos underpants on and they will float back to flat earth in good shape, plus they will be AGW converts.
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