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Post by nautonnier on Jun 28, 2009 17:32:21 GMT
It is 2020, and the revolution in the USA is over. Citizen's militia have taken control of the streets, and the country is getting back to rebuilding. You can only push a people so far. The symbolic tipping of a ship load of coal into the Boston harbor on the 4th July 2019 will be seen in history as the turning point, though the emergency legislation introduced by Obama in 2015 allowing him to be President "as long as the crisis continued" was also regarded as a trigger which started the five years of protest and rebellion ..... Of course, cutting off all World Trade and disconnecting the Internet, phones and most communication with the outside World was seen as rather radical, and the rest of the World is pretty much in the dark about what is happening. Repudiation of all foreign held treasury debt has halted trade of the US dollar, but the central committee is about to issue a new gold backed currency, and all Citizens will be issued with the same amount for a fresh start. The Central committee has applied for extradition of Obama, Hansen et al, but the EU maintains that they will not release these perpetrators of the US collapse back to the US where they face certain death. The US has become a Pariah nation, joining the ranks of NZ, Australia and other freedom loving nations. ........ Unfortunately, this could be close to the truth - gun shops in the US are doing a huge business in weapons and have run out of ammunition to sell - as new stock comes in it is sold within hours. So perhaps the date may be 2012 rather than 2020 - perhaps December?
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Post by donmartin on Jun 28, 2009 19:05:39 GMT
talk about the perfect storm: high marginal cost energy, economy in crisis, and global cooling : concurrently
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Post by jimg on Jun 29, 2009 2:21:29 GMT
And Calif is leading the way.
$24B deficit in the fiscal budget, and about $17B+ over the next two years to the federal gov't to cover loans to the bankrupt unemployment insurance fund.
And to think, Waxman is the rep for Hollyweird and Beverly Hills. He knows what is going on here in CA, but pushes this behemoth through anyways.
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Post by sunnydave on Jun 29, 2009 22:31:42 GMT
A few points...
1) Gun and ammo sales are off the charts in the states.
2) Illegals have been costing California at least 5 billion a year. I left 8 years ago. I suspect Cali will be bailed out. Still, sucks to be there.
3) With all the Obama spending , printing of money, Cap and trade(almost there), overhaul of the medical industry. The US economy is going nowhere. I expect the House and Senate to swing more towards the Republicans in 2010 and then after 2 more years of economic doldrums, all three to swing Republican. Assuming the Repubs do a decent campaigning job.
4) That begs the question. With the surprise ruling by the SCOTUS that gun ownership is an individual right like all the others. When and how will he/could he try to do a crack down on guns.
I am not a Republican. I am a Constitutional conservative with some Libertarian values. I may not approve of a liberal hippy lifestyles, but believe in a live and let live philosophy. As long as they are not trying to force their ways on me.
Some of my post has been said already, I am just another person showing similar views.
Sunny Dave
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Post by mkelter on Jun 30, 2009 2:50:27 GMT
If cap & trade passes in the Senate, the only way that America will "green" will be the growth of lush weeds in our carbon-rich environment covering up the doorways where once-prosperous business enterprises existed. The better, greener alternative for America would be to put out to green pasture the morons in the House of Representative who voted for the bill without reading the text of the legislation.
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Post by poitsplace on Jun 30, 2009 5:39:38 GMT
If temperatures continue to decline at the recent rate for more than a couple more years...all the carbon schemes will need to be eliminated just to keep everyone warm.
Or it'll suppress the economy and it will still be lifted.
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Post by jtom on Jun 30, 2009 17:29:28 GMT
First, if the Republicans in the Senate don't filibuster the C&T bill to death, I will only vote Libertarian in the future. A vote that 'doesn't count' is no worse than a vote for an ineffective party.
Secondly, stock up on firewood along with that ammunition. You can count on it being heavily taxed when the carbon controls are implemented. At least you can store a good bit of it now and it will last. I read that there have been proposals in CA to ban the building of new fireplaces, so don't think the Energy Czars are going to overlook this.
One of the advantages of a good, cold winter is that it kills off a lot of parasites. Perhaps mankind needs a moderate ice age to rid us of those who choose not to learn how to provide for themselves. Yeah, I'm feeling pretty cynical today.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jun 30, 2009 18:46:09 GMT
First, if the Republicans in the Senate don't filibuster the C&T bill to death, I will only vote Libertarian in the future. A vote that 'doesn't count' is no worse than a vote for an ineffective party. Secondly, stock up on firewood along with that ammunition. You can count on it being heavily taxed when the carbon controls are implemented. At least you can store a good bit of it now and it will last. I read that there have been proposals in CA to ban the building of new fireplaces, so don't think the Energy Czars are going to overlook this. One of the advantages of a good, cold winter is that it kills off a lot of parasites. Perhaps mankind needs a moderate ice age to rid us of those who choose not to learn how to provide for themselves. Yeah, I'm feeling pretty cynical today. "Country folks can survive". Bosephus.
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Post by magellan on Jun 30, 2009 22:34:43 GMT
First, if the Republicans in the Senate don't filibuster the C&T bill to death, I will only vote Libertarian in the future. A vote that 'doesn't count' is no worse than a vote for an ineffective party. Secondly, stock up on firewood along with that ammunition. You can count on it being heavily taxed when the carbon controls are implemented. At least you can store a good bit of it now and it will last. I read that there have been proposals in CA to ban the building of new fireplaces, so don't think the Energy Czars are going to overlook this. One of the advantages of a good, cold winter is that it kills off a lot of parasites. Perhaps mankind needs a moderate ice age to rid us of those who choose not to learn how to provide for themselves. Yeah, I'm feeling pretty cynical today. Republicans cannot filibuster now with Al Franken the winner in Minnesota's election. Unless taken to the Supreme Court (U.S.), he will make the magic number for a filibuster proof Democrat Senate, and Cap n Tax is in like Flynn unless there are still enough sane politicians left to stop it. The problem with your last cynical statement is during the Great Depression, millions of hard working Americans fell on their luck, not because they were lazy, but there just weren't any jobs! Don't think you are immune from losing everything you have; I'm sure not. Also, should the dollar descend into oblivion, even the "rich" will not survive. Those buying up gold are doing so to protect themselves from inflation, but if the dollar collapses, it won't matter. How many loaves of bread will one ounce of gold buy? P.S. We have enough wood on our land to last for many years, but what good is that if we lose our house? BTW, we've been heating with corn for 5 years. During the Great Depression, farmers couldn't give it away. With this moronic biofuel nonsense, the price of corn will skyrocket again as King Obama has granted higher subsidies than ever. These power hungry demagogues currently occupying the White House and Congress, IMO, will spur on a new revolution at some point, and it may not be just at the ballot box.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jun 30, 2009 23:40:18 GMT
Magellan you may be right about the "Franken Factor", although there are a number of Dem Senators who will strenuously object to the House version on grounds of job loss, higher taxes, etc. I expect there will be some significant compromises reached just to get "something" passed no matter how frivolous or useless the final product might be. Whether or not it meets with public approval is still an open question, but if there is a general outcry there could well be a SCOTUS case brought by various interests.
Having been in a shooting war in a previous life, and seen first hand the misery that brings on the general population, I would dearly hope that this National dispute never descends to that level. I wouldn't rule it out, but I can assure you that the people of the USA are not in the least prepared for something like that, nor are our neighbors to the North and South prepared to deal with a large influx of starving and homeless refugee's.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 1, 2009 0:43:17 GMT
Magellan you may be right about the "Franken Factor", although there are a number of Dem Senators who will strenuously object to the House version on grounds of job loss, higher taxes, etc. I expect there will be some significant compromises reached just to get "something" passed no matter how frivolous or useless the final product might be. Whether or not it meets with public approval is still an open question, but if there is a general outcry there could well be a SCOTUS case brought by various interests. There is hope. Governor Hoven from ND will prob be running against Senator Dorgan in 2010. IF Senator Dorgan votes for this cap and trade bill, he knows he will lose the election even without Hoven running. There is blood to be had if either of ND's Senators vote or encourage this bill. Having been in a shooting war in a previous life, and seen first hand the misery that brings on the general population, I would dearly hope that this National dispute never descends to that level. I wouldn't rule it out, but I can assure you that the people of the USA are not in the least prepared for something like that, nor are our neighbors to the North and South prepared to deal with a large influx of starving and homeless refugee's.
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Post by jimg on Jul 1, 2009 3:58:05 GMT
Coleman concedes to Franken. He's off to Washington.
Thanks to Arlen Spector, unless he plays both sides, will have a fillibuster proof majority.
Waxman is from CA which is hemoraging jobs. He doesn't seem to concerned about it.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 1, 2009 12:53:27 GMT
The Waxman bill is far from a certain pass.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jul 1, 2009 14:35:14 GMT
Congressman Sensenbrenner was on the news this am, talking about the Carlin/EPA business. He wants to get Carlin, and no doubt the EPA, in front of his Energy Committee to ask a few pointed questions. Sounds like the AGW crew is being put on the defensive finally. If this goes down it could easily kill the C&T bill. There would no doubt be a parade of experts called in on both sides of the issue. I can hardly wait.
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Post by jimg on Jul 2, 2009 14:58:35 GMT
I remember one of the earlier congressional hearings on climate change.
When Al Gore gave his talk, there weren't enough seats, and the room was packed.
After that Bjorn Lomborg gave his testimony and you could hear the crickets. Even the democratic congressional panel members didn't stick around to hear his testimony. It was irrelevant. Their agenda was already determined.
Although WM in its current form may not pass, it is highly probable that something will pass along these lines.
Even if it doesn't, the EPA is ready to act.
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