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Post by curiousgeorge on Jul 14, 2009 18:12:15 GMT
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Post by notsocold on Jul 14, 2009 20:37:52 GMT
Oh dear,
Socold has been telling us that it's still warming and now his mentors at realclimate have admitted thats it's been cooling for a decade and is going to continue to cool for another decade. Ah well, I'm sure that there are other causes that need little helpers to spread the world.
When is Hale Bopp making it's next pass?
Makes me feel all warm inside, not socold at all.
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Post by socold on Jul 14, 2009 22:34:31 GMT
I thought you were banned.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 15, 2009 1:11:38 GMT
IF they had only listened to me.....I have been saying that warming has been on hold for 10 years now. About time they caught up. All I had to do was look out the window. |
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Post by steve on Jul 15, 2009 9:56:41 GMT
I thought you were banned. At least the poor sad lad has learnt to spell your name right. |
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Post by notsocold on Jul 15, 2009 20:33:08 GMT
socold.
'I thought you were banned.'
No socold, the truth is only banned at realclimate. Here, we can spread the word and try to stop the alarmists taking the GISS.
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Post by socold on Jul 15, 2009 21:17:56 GMT
socold. 'I thought you were banned.' No socold, the truth is only banned at realclimate. Here, we can spread the word and try to stop the alarmists taking the GISS. Well as long as you don't start swearing at the admins again |
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Post by notsocold on Jul 15, 2009 22:41:30 GMT
Not me Socold. You just wish it were.
Hey was that the summer socold. Whooosh.
No can't have been, MET office said warmest since 1998 (soon to be changed to 2007)
but it's rained the whole time except for a few hot days. Ah Well. Cooling is the new warming, just manipulate the data and we can fool the masses. Funny thing is socold, I get the feeling that you are not stupid but that you also know that it's been cooling for a decade so what is your motivation for 1300 posts saying that it's runaway warming when temperatures are plummeting (except for those taking the GISS of course)?
No answer expected but not many people read your posts anyway, (Still, more read them here than at realclimate) so at least you are not always talking to yourself.
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Post by socold on Jul 15, 2009 22:47:59 GMT
You have no data to show temperature is plummetting. All the data show the opposite.
The difference between my position and yours, is that mine is based on actual records and yours is based on some kind of warped fantasy wherein you make broad generalizations about specific events, confusing precipitation with temperature, etc.
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Post by notsocold on Jul 15, 2009 23:13:29 GMT
Not so my furry friend,
socold,
'You have no data to show temperature is plummeting. All the data show the opposite.'
Only the manually hansen adjusted GISS take data shows rising temperatures, every other record shows plummeting temperatures. Let's not forget here that some poeple reading this actually venture out into the real world and see the truth.
socold
'The difference between my position and yours, is that mine is based on actual records and yours is based on some kind of warped fantasy wherein you make broad generalizations about specific events, confusing precipitation with temperature, etc.'
No not really, The difference between my position and yours is that I question everything and you accept it verbatim. Your actual 'corrupted GISS' records do not relate to the reality that people are experiencing. Try looking outside of the GISS bubble and see what every other measure is saying.
Warm winter this year socold?
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Post by socold on Jul 16, 2009 2:07:55 GMT
Not so my furry friend, socold, 'You have no data to show temperature is plummeting. All the data show the opposite.' Only the manually hansen adjusted GISS take data shows rising temperatures, every other record shows plummeting temperatures. All sea surface temperature records shows warming over the past few months. So do all surface records. Only the satellite records show cooling over the past few months, but that isn't a contradiction because they are not measuring the surface temperature. You don't just question, you too reaily assume an answer and conclusion which is wrong. For example you assume GISTEMP must be wrong because satellites show "plummeting temperatures". This is all too much deja-vu. Remember this time last year, I think it was May, we saw the satellite records show "plummeting temperatures" also. In fact they fell further than they have in the satellite records to date. A few months after that they bounced back up, which I predicted. I also predict the satellites will show temperature soaring (opposite of "plummet") in the next few months, for the same reason. Do you agree with that or do you want to go on record as believing temperatures will continue to plummet in the sat records? The idea that GISTEMP is showing something at odds with the other records to the degree that you can somehow feel it outside is ridiculous, but all too common among skeptics. As if by citing anecdotes therefore the globe must be cool. I remember last year with "plummeting" temperatures in the satellite record people were making the same claims that the cold was obvious because they could feel it outside. Even when the surface record was showing warming they still managed to tell us how they could "feel" anomolous cooling higher in the atmosphere because of some snow nearby. Even when the satellite temperatures soared into the beginning of 2009 people were still claiming they could feel the globe was cold by standing outside and citing anecdotes. Even though the temperature in the records showed a positive anomaly (even in June satellite records UAH gets as low as zero but not negative) the skeptics are still going on about how cold it is. Even though these same records show that temperature is at the most average, but in most cases actually warmer than average. And still this is spun into cold stories about how crops might start all failing and the world will starve. As if we had such problems in the 70s and 80s which all the records agree were cooler. You would do well to follow your own advice rather than just accepting what is spoon fed to you. Try some different actual surface records hadobs.metoffice.com/hadsst2/index.htmlbobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/07/june-2009-sst-anomaly-update.htmlwww.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3gl.txt |
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Post by glacier on Jul 16, 2009 19:38:49 GMT
Socold - take a look at the GISS temp recording station locations (hint, airports..). It's no wonder temps have risen - heat sinks next to the recording stations... "GISS has released their monthly global temperature summary for June, 2009. This month’s whopping anomaly of 0.63C is once again much higher than that of RSS, UAH, and even NOAA, which is the source of the GISS temperature data. Not only is the anomaly higher than the other metrics, but it is trending in the opposite direction." "Once again, the bulk of temperatures comprising the present-day worldwide GISS average come from airports – in this case 554 airports, according to the NOAA metadata from the V2 station inventory. In the US, the ratio of airports to total stations continues to run very high, with 121 out of the 134 reporting stations being located at airports." "Why worry about airports? Aside from recent posts on this site documenting problems with airport ASOS equipment in the US, WUWT has also documented a number of equipment siting problems, notably the typical close proximity of the equipment to a tarmac heat sink. Airports can introduce a mini-UHI effect where one would otherwise not be found." wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/15/giss-worlds-airports-continue-to-run-warmer-than-row/ |
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Post by poitsplace on Jul 16, 2009 20:20:50 GMT
*shrug* temperatures go up, temperatures go down. We're just talking about weather  of course the climate people are talking about 20 years of stable temperatures during massive increases in CO2...because it had apparently heated up too quickly and now it's compensating. ...of course, its funny none of those supposedly powerful feedbacks kicked in and drove temperatures higher. |
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Post by notsocold on Jul 16, 2009 22:37:15 GMT
ocold.
All sea surface temperature records shows warming over the past few months. So do all surface records.
In reality land, we call that summer.
socold.
You don't just question, you too reaily assume an answer and conclusion which is wrong.
If it looks like sh*t and it smells like sh*t it's usually sh*t but if you want to send me the GISS raw data plus all the upwards adjustment data & justifications together with the applied algorithm code I'll take a looksy. What it's all top secret, ah well I revert to the smells like sh*t and I'll be right then.
I'm happy to look at any raw data set, your links are all to alarmist adjusted nonsense.
You still have not answered my question socold. Warm mild winter this year then? With an el nino forecast you must be on to a winner or are you about to jump ship?
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Post by socold on Jul 17, 2009 0:10:52 GMT
Socold - take a look at the GISS temp recording station locations (hint, airports..). It's no wonder temps have risen - heat sinks next to the recording stations... Have you considered the possibility that airports do not get gradually warmer over decades simply by being there? And wouldn't that be easily detectable by say comparing airport stations to non-airport stations and demonstrating statistically significant greater warming at airports than non-airports? Additionally there are no airports over the oceans which also show recent warming, and no airports in the atmosphere which again show recent warming. And contrary to how Watt's blog might mislead you, there really isn't much difference in the warming between the surface records and satellite records in the past 30 years. So there's a whole list of reasons to doubt your statement. You won't see any of this information on Watt's blog, as it seems designed to omit the significant info and report selectively in such a way that by pure *coincidence* ends up misleading people the most. For example: No mention that GISTEMP and the satellites are measuring temperature of different things. No mention that sometimes the atmosphere is warming up while the surface is cooling and vice versa. The whole post is based on an utter sham comparison and the omissions that falsely mislead people to think GISTEMP is fraudulent are very obvious and telling at the motive behind the post. Which could be a step change rather than a gradual warming over decades. Furthermore this doesn't even address the fact that over decades the ocean (free of airports) and the lower atmosphere (same) has warmed by about the same amount. |
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