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Post by sigurdur on Sept 6, 2009 1:19:00 GMT
Saw geese flying yesterday. Is wayyyyyyy to early for geese. And noticed that the leaves on the trees are turning which is about 3 weeks early. Growing degree days wise, those trees should be as green as well watered grass.
I am hoping for a long frost free fall, but the signs are not pointing to that.
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Post by jurinko on Sept 6, 2009 7:42:35 GMT
From WUWT tips and notes:
My Brother’s best “naturalist” friend in Chicago has observed:
1. Hummingbird migration – 3 weeks early.
2. Monarch butterflies – 3 weeks early.
3. Robins – 2 weeks early..
Last, report from Wisconsin is that many “Sugar Maples” have already “turned”. (Granted, they typically turn early because taping the sap hastens the turning somewhat, but makes the a “sensitive” seasonal marker.
Mark Hugoson
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Post by socold on Sept 6, 2009 10:43:51 GMT
My freezer was unnaturally cold this morning.
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Post by woodstove on Sept 6, 2009 12:47:23 GMT
My freezer was unnaturally cold this morning. You've got to love a naturalist.
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Post by woodstove on Sept 6, 2009 12:51:40 GMT
I neglected to mention another observation from last week here in Austin: two V's of speckled-belly geese flying along the Colorado River at about 500 feet. I haven't lived here long enough to know whether it's early for the area or not, but their mottled, off-white and pale-brown undersides were beautiful in the last of the sunlight.
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Post by Purinoli on Sept 6, 2009 14:09:57 GMT
A day before yesterday we had first snow below 1.500 m ( Slovenia, SE Alps). And this is less than 100 km N from Adriatic sea ! Not extremely unusual but stll very unusual.
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 8, 2009 12:56:12 GMT
Saw geese flying yesterday. Is wayyyyyyy to early for geese. And noticed that the leaves on the trees are turning which is about 3 weeks early. Growing degree days wise, those trees should be as green as well watered grass. I am hoping for a long frost free fall, but the signs are not pointing to that. From Accuweather..., "A push of cool air will help to ignite strong thunderstorms across the northern Plains today. The current cool push will pale in comparison to the cool air set to drop down from Canada late in the week.
A new storm system is forecast to dive into the northern Plains on Friday. Temperatures this day will fail to rise out of the 60s across northern Minnesota and neighboring parts of Canada. More of the Upper Midwest will have similar high temperatures on Saturday."
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 8, 2009 13:22:22 GMT
It is raining right now, and the forcast took a serious change to colder temps in the past few days. Not a good thing for the crops around here. Still very little wheat taken off, which is 3 weeks behind...and now we are into fall. NO drying weather for small grains.
All I can say is.....this cold snap.....yes.....10 months long....is for.....mmm........well.....I can't say it here.
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Post by sol on Sept 8, 2009 19:06:53 GMT
From WUWT tips and notes: My Brother’s best “naturalist” friend in Chicago has observed:
1. Hummingbird migration – 3 weeks early.
2. Monarch butterflies – 3 weeks early.
3. Robins – 2 weeks early..
Last, report from Wisconsin is that many “Sugar Maples” have already “turned”. (Granted, they typically turn early because taping the sap hastens the turning somewhat, but makes the a “sensitive” seasonal marker.
Mark HugosonNext, the dolphins will be saying "So long and thanks for all of the fish." ;D Seriously though, I do not like what we are likely to see this fall/winter. At all.
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 11, 2009 9:18:01 GMT
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Post by poitsplace on Sept 11, 2009 10:37:03 GMT
I assume most trees (and most plants in general) have a degree-day mechanism in them and use that with a variety of other criteria to determine when to drop their leaves. They probably also sense the change in the sun. Heck, maybe the whole reason plants tend to do "worse" during solar minimums is that they're cutting short across the board to make sure they get their fruit ripened, their winter stores built up, etc...just in case there's a harsh and early winter.
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Post by spaceman on Sept 11, 2009 15:44:26 GMT
the infared also effects when plants begin to wall off the leaves. A combination of both a puffed up atmosphere,(solar wind has dropped along with decreased compression of the upper atmoshere) filtering more light, and a drop in the light from the sun, although small, might account for changes, as well as cooler temps. Increased cloud cover could also be a factor. Deciduous trees will drop leaves in the far south based on light even though the temps remain high with no frost, although later. The wavelenght, if I remember , is around 700nm, maybe 770nm. As the earth moves towards spring, trees will begin to bud even though the weather can still be quite cold. If you fly from NY to Atlanta in the spring, you can see the bands of greening.The atmosphere filters out those wavelenghts toward fall causing the trees to turn. So many projects, so many unanswered questions.
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Post by jeroen on Sept 14, 2009 22:55:00 GMT
First snow dump on the alps of the season.
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Post by w7psk on Sept 16, 2009 2:15:57 GMT
Leaves are turning here in the Puget sound about a week ago. Way Way early for us.
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Post by inverse on Sept 16, 2009 8:01:37 GMT
It is raining right now, and the forcast took a serious change to colder temps in the past few days. Not a good thing for the crops around here. Still very little wheat taken off, which is 3 weeks behind...and now we are into fall. NO drying weather for small grains. All I can say is.....this cold snap.....yes.....10 months long....is for.....mmm........well.....I can't say it here. Can't comment on an early autumn as I am on the wrong part of the planet and the cherry blossom has just appeared on the trees at the same date as it has been for a number of years. What I can say is that I got into space weather about 9 months ago when I saw an investor expert on MSNBC state that he was selling all his shares in US agriculture stock due to the extended solar minimum. The other experts gave him some very odd looks!!
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