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Post by Col 'NDX on Aug 6, 2009 20:12:32 GMT
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Post by stevenotsteve on Aug 6, 2009 20:21:37 GMT
It's the sun stupid.
(sorry couldn't resist)
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Post by walterdnes on Aug 7, 2009 5:04:21 GMT
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Post by glc on Aug 7, 2009 11:15:40 GMT
I deliberately bolded the statement. "Note that there was a 30-year hiatus with no such transitions between 1976 and 2006". PDO anyone?
Ocean oscillation (PDO/AMO/whatever) is certainly a factor, but there is still an underlying warming trend which cannot be explained by factors other than increased ghg.
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Post by jtom on Aug 7, 2009 13:46:22 GMT
We started coming out of the LIA in the mid 1800s. Are you saying that the warming trend since then could only be caused by GHG?
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Post by sigurdur on Aug 7, 2009 18:48:26 GMT
Yes, we are warmer than the LIA. But dog gone it....we sure aren't as warm as we were 5 years ago around here. I would like that warmth to return!
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Post by van on Aug 7, 2009 20:50:22 GMT
GLC wrote "Ocean oscillation (PDO/AMO/whatever) is certainly a factor, but there is still an underlying warming trend which cannot be explained by factors other than increased ghg."
Perhaps the combined effects of his and other Warmaholics fevered brains.
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Post by sigurdur on Aug 7, 2009 21:09:24 GMT
GLC wrote "Ocean oscillation (PDO/AMO/whatever) is certainly a factor, but there is still an underlying warming trend which cannot be explained by factors other than increased ghg." Perhaps the combined effects of his and other Warmaholics fevered brains. Come now. WE know that the little bit of energy used by AGW fellers brains is not adding to the warmth of the globe. IF that were the tipping point, we would be entering an ice age for sure! Still does amaze me tho, how there can be so many holes in a hypothosis and people don't look why there are holes, they just keep plugging away using the ancient scientific input rather than adjusting to what has been learned even during the past 10 years. I am saying that as a fellow who used to buy into the AGW hypothosis until my studying enabled me to see that it is still in very infant form and the real reasons behind climate change are being hinted at now, but still covered with a layer of ice as the AGW hypothosis is still the hot topic now.
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Post by jurinko on Aug 7, 2009 21:15:20 GMT
concerning that underlying trend..
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Post by Pooh on Aug 7, 2009 22:14:18 GMT
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Post by glc on Aug 7, 2009 23:37:42 GMT
We started coming out of the LIA in the mid 1800s. Are you saying that the warming trend since then could only be caused by GHG?
Did we? what makes you think that?
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Post by glc on Aug 7, 2009 23:42:48 GMT
concerning that underlying trend..
I should have added "an underlying trend which does not correlate to any solar parameters".
You have made the same mistake as Mann did with the H-S. You have grafted recent observations onto a long term proxy record. Either stick with the proxy record or actual observations - not both. Apart from that the plot tells us nothing about fluctuations on a decadal scale.
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Post by glc on Aug 7, 2009 23:58:17 GMT
Even the SWPC and the NYT are now addressing other factors
Chang, Kenneth. “Is the Sun Missing Its Spots?.” News. The New York Times, July 21, 2009. www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/scienc....agewanted=print.Ok - so there are few sunspots at the moment - so what? The sunspot count has been low for a couple of years, at least. We all know this. We also know that July 2009 was the second warmest July in the UAH record.
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Post by jtom on Aug 8, 2009 1:18:10 GMT
We started coming out of the LIA in the mid 1800s. Are you saying that the warming trend since then could only be caused by GHG? Did we? what makes you think that? There's a few thousand sites of scientific studies, texts, and records dating back to that time. Either you have absolutely no knowledge of the history of earth or you're a troll. Either way, there's no point discussing anything else with you until you've matured.
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Post by jtom on Aug 8, 2009 1:21:57 GMT
Yes, we are warmer than the LIA. But dog gone it....we sure aren't as warm as we were 5 years ago around here. I would like that warmth to return! I, OTOH, have thoroughly enjoyed the cooler weather this summer. Just goes to show you, one person's optimum climate is another person's disastrous weather. So who's going to decide what the global thermostat should be set to?
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