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Post by magellan on Dec 20, 2009 23:58:19 GMT
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Post by sentient on Dec 21, 2009 0:20:01 GMT
GOSH! You don't really mean this could be the scandal of the interglacial, do you?
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Post by donmartin on Dec 21, 2009 1:30:48 GMT
IPCC, H1N1, etc. is not about science. It is about control - through fear and intrusion. Soon, in England, every movement and statement will be recorded - permanently - everything written on the internet is stored - permanently - and access to that information will be available to and only to the powers which control the element of fear and its efficient dissemination through the media which cannot survive without donation.
Believe, names will be taken. Argument and proving a point is irrelevant. Simply, control of CO2 - let's just say energy, provides complete and ultimate control. And that is being taken with the blessing of populations which have been indoctrinated, not educated.
Government expansion, personal debt, unquestioned technology, and the tool of fear is creating a prison.
Eventually there should be a statue erected in every public area in the world for the person who bravely, I gather over a lengthy time, collected and published 13 years worth of materials from East Anglia - a Nobel would be in order.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 21, 2009 1:39:30 GMT
IPCC, H1N1, etc. is not about science. It is about control - through fear and intrusion. Soon, in England, every movement and statement will be recorded - permanently - everything written on the internet is stored - permanently - and access to that information will be available to and only to the powers which control the element of fear and its efficient dissemination through the media which cannot survive without donation. Believe, names will be taken. Argument and proving a point is irrelevant. Simply, control of CO2 - let's just say energy, provides complete and ultimate control. And that is being taken with the blessing of populations which have been indoctrinated, not educated. Government expansion, personal debt, unquestioned technology, and the tool of fear is creating a prison. Eventually there should be a statue erected in every public area in the world for the person who bravely, I gather over a lengthy time, collected and published 13 years worth of materials from East Anglia - a Nobel would be in order. I really don't get it. I can understand the subjects of tryanny etc agreeing with the powers that be. But for the life of me.....I can't understand what has happened to the British. The Aussies are deff showing signs of life, the US is showing, and has shown, signs of life, the Canadians are showing it.....Where did we go wrong with the Brits? How could so much treasure and life been freely given defending Britian...for it to come to this?
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 21, 2009 13:22:29 GMT
IPCC, H1N1, etc. is not about science. It is about control - through fear and intrusion. Soon, in England, every movement and statement will be recorded - permanently - everything written on the internet is stored - permanently - and access to that information will be available to and only to the powers which control the element of fear and its efficient dissemination through the media which cannot survive without donation. Believe, names will be taken. Argument and proving a point is irrelevant. Simply, control of CO2 - let's just say energy, provides complete and ultimate control. And that is being taken with the blessing of populations which have been indoctrinated, not educated. Government expansion, personal debt, unquestioned technology, and the tool of fear is creating a prison. Eventually there should be a statue erected in every public area in the world for the person who bravely, I gather over a lengthy time, collected and published 13 years worth of materials from East Anglia - a Nobel would be in order. I really don't get it. I can understand the subjects of tryanny etc agreeing with the powers that be. But for the life of me.....I can't understand what has happened to the British. The Aussies are deff showing signs of life, the US is showing, and has shown, signs of life, the Canadians are showing it.....Where did we go wrong with the Brits? How could so much treasure and life been freely given defending Britian...for it to come to this? Imagine 15 years of Pelosi, Reid and Obama - then ask the question again.
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Post by donmartin on Dec 21, 2009 17:39:16 GMT
Frankly, as an outsider, I think the United States has excellent politicians and civic leaders on all sides and of all stripes. Like it or not, the U.S. is the world leader in demonstrating the advantage of debate and the benefit of sincere, open disagreement resolved in a civil and open forum of obligation to peace, prosperity, and progress.
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Post by trbixler on Dec 22, 2009 2:13:54 GMT
"Climategatekeeping: Siberia"
Here is an example of how effective Jones et al were in keeping opposing viewpoints from seeing the light of day. The deck was stacked against Lars Kamél. We now know why as the Russians have revealed the cherry picked Hadley temperatures for the region. The problems are deep and wide from Wiki to CRU to GISS to Hadley and governments as well.
"http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/21/climategatekeeping-siberia/#more-9646"
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Post by jtom on Dec 22, 2009 3:56:31 GMT
Yes, donmartin, the US has the best politicians that money can buy.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 22, 2009 11:30:05 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 25, 2009 15:10:25 GMT
Thirty YEARS of Climategate This means that there are post-docs and tenured academics who have learned nothing else but a false view of the world and climate. Imagine all your knowledge being based on false premises and faked proxies. Recovering from this will take more than just a few professors from University of East Anglia and Penn State taking gardening leave. wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/23/the-climategate-timeline-30-years-visualized/#more-14461
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Post by hiddigeigei on Dec 25, 2009 22:05:10 GMT
Thirty YEARS of Climategate This means that there are post-docs and tenured academics who have learned nothing else but a false view of the world and climate. Imagine all your knowledge being based on false premises and faked proxies. Recovering from this will take more than just a few professors from University of East Anglia and Penn State taking gardening leave. The geologists went through something like this in the 1950s and 1960s as more and more data supported the concept of continental drift. Of course there wasn't so much money and politics involved
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Post by trbixler on Dec 27, 2009 5:25:53 GMT
Food for thought When is the truth libelous and lies not. Maybe adjusting or hiding is OK after all. Maybe just the way "science" is done under the law or please don't mention it. Personally Deep Climate deserves at least an attaboy, probably saving the world from a trillion or so dollars in stupid spending. Again time will tell how the politicos spin the CRU fraud, who knows they might even take credit for it in trying to save the world. Obama to Jones thank you for the greater good? online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704376704574606172532355510.htmloriginally from rankexploits.com/musings/2009/libel-article-in-wsj/
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Post by AstroMet on Dec 27, 2009 8:27:47 GMT
Thirty YEARS of Climategate This means that there are post-docs and tenured academics who have learned nothing else but a false view of the world and climate. Imagine all your knowledge being based on false premises and faked proxies. Recovering from this will take more than just a few professors from University of East Anglia and Penn State taking gardening leave. wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/23/the-climategate-timeline-30-years-visualized/#more-14461It is going to take some time for the conventional climate science research community to recover from Climate Gate. You make an excellent point about the false proxies/premises associated with the myth of man-made global warming being passed on to academics over the last 17 years or so, and that is going to be their problem, more or less, for a long time to come. I figure that by the time the conventional climate community recovers from this, it will be the mid-to-late 2020s, and by that time, the world will surely be in the throes of global cooling. Another sad thing is that over the last 17 years since the onset of the billions of dollars into climate science that the careerists who steered all research towards their ideology did so not for the sake of science - but for their own sake. The lies, the tampering with data, the trashing of careers and calling anyone a "denier" on man-made global warming has done extensive damage to climate science. We will surely see a huge drop of international funding of climate research until the careerists and ideologues who created the mess either retire, or are forced to leave major institutions where they abused their respective positions by their acts on climate change. This includes the universities. where many of the careerists have been tenured for many years now. The false proxies and premises of their climate "research" has been shown to be just that - false. this means that anyone who has studied under these careerists and bought into man-made global warming. Those who believed in man-made global warming lock, stock and barrel will have to spend the next decade "unlearning what they have learned" in the words of Yoda. It's going to be a long decade for them, but for astronomical climate forecasters there is a Renaissance on the horizon. Anyone who studies space weather should be excited about the times ahead because we will have the opportunity to progress and work without the loud obstructionist background noise of the careerists and their charges on man-made global warming. The lack of openness of the IPCC and the careerists who intervened in a wide variety of ways over the last two decades has poisoned the climate science community as it stands today. I keep maintaining that ideologues of all stripes do not belong in Science. East Anglia proves the reasons why.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Dec 27, 2009 15:53:00 GMT
Indeed it will take a long time. Partly because it won't be a "sudden awakening" across the globe, but a sequential realization with stalls, confusion, and backsliding along the way. A great deal of this (IPCC pronouncements, et al ) has made it's way into laws, treaties, agreements, regulations, financial commitments and interests, and National/International Standards of all sorts ( to name just a few), many of which are interconnected and cross referencing. It will take considerable time for the world bureaucracy to purge itself of all that, even after decisions are made to do so. AGW has become a swamp that we may never be able to extricate ourselves from, let alone drain.
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Post by hilbert on Dec 27, 2009 22:08:40 GMT
Over at RealClimate, they have: Climate scientists are being subjected to slanderous attacks by demagogues in high office and the global warming disinformation campaign. Climate Science Watch is posting here an “Open letter to the climate science community” by Ben Santer of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. Santer says: “We are now faced with powerful ‘forces of unreason’—forces that (at least to date) have been unsuccessful in challenging scientific findings of a warming Earth, and a ‘discernible human influence’ on global climate. These forces of unreason are now shifting the focus of their attention to the scientists themselves. They seek to discredit, to skew the truth, to misrepresent. They seek to destroy scientific careers rather than to improve our understanding of the nature and causes of climate change.” Dr. Santer doesn't say whether or not he'll "beat the crap" out of you if you disagree with him. This might seem to be an ironic post, but scientists who conspire to suppress authors of alternate views, and then discredit those authors because they haven't published in peer-reviewed articles should have their actions scrutinized. To the extent that their actions have tainted the "science", then the science must also be questioned. While parts of Dr. Santer's work might indeed have some validity, he seems to be aspiring to hypocrisy with his cries of "unreason".
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