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Post by hilbert on Nov 29, 2009 0:16:51 GMT
So, several (5? 12?) Liberal Party senators are opposing the Labor Party climate bill, which the Liberal Party leader has agreed to support. Apparently, the Liberal Party risks an early election if the bill fails, which somehow might hurt the Liberal Party--is that because most of the Australians support the bill? I'm missing some connections here.
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Post by Ratty on Nov 29, 2009 2:08:06 GMT
If I heard the news reports correctly this morning, there were a couple of polls reported, one which said most Aussies support the introduction of an ETS and another that said we shouldn't vote on it until after Copenhagen. The bill is called the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme and involves trading permits. The general public has very little idea of what it involves as both sides of politics here are "on board" the global warming bandwagon. Someone on a local gardening forum posted this, allegedly from a local morning TV poll on our Channel 7: www.gardenexpress.com.au/forum/download/file.php?id=2322&mode=view
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 29, 2009 2:15:19 GMT
Ratty: There are some senators in the US that could vote for the carbon tax and be safe. However, by far the majority would lose their next election bid.....and I am not just saying that.
Last poll in the US: 29% support carbon tax 69% oppose carbon tax 2% had no opinion.
The house had a vote, and the tax passed narrowly. IT is dead in the Senate.
The US will never ratify the propsed treaty in Copenhagen. I don't even know why they keep bothering us. It just won't fly here.
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Post by magellan on Nov 29, 2009 2:52:45 GMT
Ratty: There are some senators in the US that could vote for the carbon tax and be safe. However, by far the majority would lose their next election bid.....and I am not just saying that. Last poll in the US: 29% support carbon tax 69% oppose carbon tax 2% had no opinion. The house had a vote, and the tax passed narrowly. IT is dead in the Senate. The US will never ratify the propsed treaty in Copenhagen. I don't even know why they keep bothering us. It just won't fly here. Yet look where we're at with the Healthcare bill. The majority of Americans are against it, but they're going to ram it down our throats anyway. It won't matter; we are bankrupt but just don't know it yet.
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 29, 2009 2:56:42 GMT
Ratty: There are some senators in the US that could vote for the carbon tax and be safe. However, by far the majority would lose their next election bid.....and I am not just saying that. Last poll in the US: 29% support carbon tax 69% oppose carbon tax 2% had no opinion. The house had a vote, and the tax passed narrowly. IT is dead in the Senate. The US will never ratify the propsed treaty in Copenhagen. I don't even know why they keep bothering us. It just won't fly here. Yet look where we're at with the Healthcare bill. The majority of Americans are against it, but they're going to ram it down our throats anyway. It won't matter; we are bankrupt but just don't know it yet. Nautomier: The health care bill hasn't passed yet. I have a funny feeling that climategate will kill that one as well. Or at least I sure hope so.
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 29, 2009 2:57:24 GMT
Yet look where we're at with the Healthcare bill. The majority of Americans are against it, but they're going to ram it down our throats anyway. It won't matter; we are bankrupt but just don't know it yet. Nautomier: The health care bill hasn't passed yet. I have a funny feeling that climategate will kill that one as well. Or at least I sure hope so. Crap....I amm getting tired. magellan.....I appologize.
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Post by Ratty on Nov 29, 2009 3:43:26 GMT
Time you were in bed, Sigurdur ... but I'm still wide awake down here in Queensland.
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Post by hilbert on Nov 29, 2009 3:44:02 GMT
A problem that we have in the US--Much bad law can, in effect, be put in place by regulatory agencies, largely independent of what Congress decides. The EPA (Environmental Protection Agency, an executive branch regulatory agency) has decided that CO2 emissions (not yet including exhalations) can be regulated.
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Post by hilbert on Nov 29, 2009 3:46:14 GMT
If I heard the news reports correctly this morning, there were a couple of polls reported, one which said most Aussies support the introduction of an ETS and another that said we shouldn't vote on it until after Copenhagen. The bill is called the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme and involves trading permits. The general public has very little idea of what it involves as both sides of politics here are "on board" the global warming bandwagon. Someone on a local gardening forum posted this, allegedly from a local morning TV poll on our Channel 7: www.gardenexpress.com.au/forum/download/file.php?id=2322&mode=viewSo, that poll seems to indicate that opposing the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme is a big winner for the Liberal Party--so why is the party leader supporting it?
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Post by Ratty on Nov 29, 2009 3:56:52 GMT
So, that poll seems to indicate that opposing the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme is a big winner for the Liberal Party--so why is the party leader supporting it? He's a believer. More importantly, he was a merchant banker, Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs Australia 1997-2001. He knows an opportunity to make money when he sees one!
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Post by hilbert on Nov 30, 2009 2:31:48 GMT
"This is a Liberal leader bucketing Liberals," he said.
"They've had enough of him and his performance over the weekend.
"People in the street are stunned that in the protection of his own position and his own philosophy view of how to fix a problem he's been bagging the hell out of our people." OK, the meaning is somewhat indicated by the context, but, please, what means: "bucketing" "bagging" Thanks!
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Post by hilbert on Nov 30, 2009 2:35:11 GMT
Ms Gillard would not comment on the likelihood of the Government calling a double dissolution if the Coalition failed to support the legislation. "double dissolution"?
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Post by kiwistonewall on Nov 30, 2009 3:35:13 GMT
Ms Gillard would not comment on the likelihood of the Government calling a double dissolution if the Coalition failed to support the legislation. "double dissolution"? Both houses of parliament are put up for election: In the US, that would be the equivalent of the election of the whole of Congress and the Senate all at once - In Aussie constitution, it allows for an important issue to got to the people if it can't pass both houses.
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Post by twawki on Nov 30, 2009 6:35:14 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Nov 30, 2009 8:40:50 GMT
"This is a Liberal leader bucketing Liberals," he said.
"They've had enough of him and his performance over the weekend.
"People in the street are stunned that in the protection of his own position and his own philosophy view of how to fix a problem he's been bagging the hell out of our people." OK, the meaning is somewhat indicated by the context, but, please, what means: "bucketing" "bagging" Thanks! Bucketing & bagging both approx. = disparaging / criticising (nastily) "tipping the bucket (of excrement)" Don't think either is specifically Aussie? Sure you won't emigrate, Hilbert?
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