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Post by curiousgeorge on Dec 2, 2009 0:21:30 GMT
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Post by magellan on Dec 2, 2009 0:28:00 GMT
Highly unlikely. I do know that BMW has had some serious issues with ethanol in their engines. |
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Post by N9AAT on Dec 2, 2009 0:33:14 GMT
Several of us laughed and laughed the day we got our first US Govt vehicle and tried the E85 stuff. Pop, sputter, and gag! It was so funny.
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Post by sean2829 on Dec 2, 2009 1:54:32 GMT
Climategate has little to do with E15, rather E15 is for buying farm state senators votes. The vote on the Boxer Kerry bill has been delayed until spring. The EPA is holding higher ethanol sales out as a carrot. If the decision was made sooner, why would the farm state senators bother? EPA knows that corn base ethanol does not reduce CO2 one bit and the higher tillage needed to get the grain probably has significant environmental impacts. This is simply an indication of how corrupt our congress and the federal government really is.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 2, 2009 1:58:50 GMT
Climategate has little to do with E15, rather E15 is for buying farm state senators votes. The vote on the Boxer Kerry bill has been delayed until spring. The EPA is holding higher ethanol sales out as a carrot. If the decision was made sooner, why would the farm state senators bother? EPA knows that corn base ethanol does not reduce CO2 one bit and the higher tillage needed to get the grain probably has significant environmental impacts. This is simply an indication of how corrupt our congress and the federal government really is. You may have a point in that this will try to buy farm state Senator Votes, but most of us farm state fellers can see the smoke screen. I will say tho, that, corn does lock co2. And the actual net effect of ethanol is negative to the co2 emission load. |
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Post by curiousgeorge on Dec 2, 2009 3:15:36 GMT
Climategate has little to do with E15, rather E15 is for buying farm state senators votes. The vote on the Boxer Kerry bill has been delayed until spring. The EPA is holding higher ethanol sales out as a carrot. If the decision was made sooner, why would the farm state senators bother? EPA knows that corn base ethanol does not reduce CO2 one bit and the higher tillage needed to get the grain probably has significant environmental impacts. This is simply an indication of how corrupt our congress and the federal government really is. I wasn't suggesting a direct connection, but rather an indirect political fallout from the assertion that AGW is a result of CO2, and EPA is tasked with reducing CO2. The entire AGW edifice is apparently crumbling before our eyes and maybe, just maybe somebody who is politically savvy has been reading the tea leaves and is hedging their bets. A lot could happen before next summer, and EPA may not want to be a whipping boy for the Administration. Point is that if the AGW/CO2 hypothesis is dumped in the crapper as a result of Climategate, then what is the EPA justification for regulating emissions via increases in Ethanol ratio. Politically zippo. The Senate is about to get an earful this week from Inhofe about Climategate, and there has already been significant political fallout around the world. None of this has to make scientific sense, only political sense. |
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Post by sean2829 on Dec 2, 2009 4:09:44 GMT
You have to look at the timing of the postponement for Senate vote on Boxer-Kerry. This occured in early to mid November after a poor showing in the offyear election in VA and NJ. Members of Congress realized that it is "the economy stupid" and I don't think any member running for re-election wanted to be seen doing anything so easily characterized as a job killer. I don't think anyone thinks that CAP and Trade will move forward in 2010 so I predict that any change from E10 to E12 or E15 will be postponed once again next summer until some time after the Cap and Trade legislation comes up again n 2011 if the Democrats aren't blown out in the mid term elections.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Dec 2, 2009 11:34:21 GMT
You have to look at the timing of the postponement for Senate vote on Boxer-Kerry. This occured in early to mid November after a poor showing in the offyear election in VA and NJ. Members of Congress realized that it is "the economy stupid" and I don't think any member running for re-election wanted to be seen doing anything so easily characterized as a job killer. I don't think anyone thinks that CAP and Trade will move forward in 2010 so I predict that any change from E10 to E12 or E15 will be postponed once again next summer until some time after the Cap and Trade legislation comes up again n 2011 if the Democrats aren't blown out in the mid term elections. Good points and I agree. I just don't think that's the only piece of it. |
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Post by sean2829 on Dec 2, 2009 23:54:44 GMT
While I am suspicious of most things the political appointees due when they administer departments, I think this administrations people look on climate change laws and treaties as a means to do many things they could not otherwise get members of congress to ratify. So the political folks at EPA will look for ways to overcome climategate. However, there are a lot of people in Congress who embraced cap and trade in the 2008 election who now find themselved in a box with the change in mood of the country. They don't want to look wishy-washy by just arbitrarily changing their position but they realize the electrolate has changed its position when they see just how much this might cost them. For them, climagegate is a"get out of jail for free" card because they can legitimately say they were misled.
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Post by sean2829 on Dec 5, 2009 20:49:49 GMT
Just so that no one can acuse the the EPA of bending to the whims of the blog-shere Climategate story, the Wall Street Journal indicates that in celebration of the COP 15, they will make an endangerment finding for CO2. online.wsj.com/article/SB126003232518778287.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecondIn spite of the poor quaility of the science, in spite of the EPA saying the clean air act is not the way to regulate CO2 (by there admission), there they go. It reminds me an extortionist holding a lit Molotov cocktail in a small business, demanding money from the proprietor by saying, 'Don't make me do something stupid.' |
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 5, 2009 21:25:31 GMT
If you are a citizen of the US and read this board, you should be writing letters hand over fist to your Senators and Reps telling them to put the brakes on EPA.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Dec 5, 2009 22:04:15 GMT
Agreed. The problem is not with folks talking to them, it's them listening to us. There are some that do, but most just blow it off.
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