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Post by SDJ on Mar 24, 2009 4:19:53 GMT
From the beginning, I've always suspected that the true motivation of the Alarmists is their feeling that not enough poor old people are freezing to death. What better way to reduce the "population pressure" and save on government health care costs, to boot?
These people are dangerous, despite the smiles. And I doubt it is a coincidence that the solution to their "crisis" is paying for/investing in something they own or control.
Harrumph. Beware false gods.
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Post by dopeydog on Mar 24, 2009 19:58:02 GMT
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Post by dopeydog on Mar 25, 2009 14:38:36 GMT
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Post by dopeydog on Apr 3, 2009 18:45:40 GMT
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Post by savethesharks on Apr 4, 2009 5:18:26 GMT
Or Hansen is the real-world Elsworth Toohey in the Fountainhead.....
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Post by dopeydog on Apr 7, 2009 19:59:57 GMT
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Post by dopeydog on Apr 8, 2009 16:29:26 GMT
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Post by heatsink on Apr 8, 2009 19:15:09 GMT
I've been to Macky Auditorium and it's not in Fort Collins as stated in the link. It's on the campus of the University of Colorado and just a couple of miles from UCAR. www.colorado.edu/macky/www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2009/james-hanson.jspMy schedule looks clear tomorrow afternoon. If it stays that way, I'll head over and listen to his presentation. Are there any suggested questions I should ask if there is a Q&A? |
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Post by dopeydog on Apr 8, 2009 19:20:16 GMT
None that I would ask in mixed company.
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Post by heatsink on Apr 8, 2009 19:29:29 GMT
None that I would ask in mixed company. I could with the old stand by: "GCMs that show AGW predict more warming in the tropical mid-troposphere then surface warming but the mid-troposphere warming is not there. How do you explain the failure of the GCMs?" |
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Post by jimg on Apr 9, 2009 5:56:40 GMT
YEAH!
Ask him why the ionosphere has cooled, to the point that it has decreased 100+ miles.
And how this will effect heat lost by the earth.
And if you really want to be snippy, ask him if it is appropriate for a government official to endorse vandalism.
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Post by Pooh on Apr 9, 2009 6:06:17 GMT
These people are dangerous, despite the smiles. Agreed! Shakespeare, Richard III, "While I can smile... And murder while I smile! IMO, one of the significant benefits of great literature is that it sheds light on our nature, good and bad. BTW, this 1995 version of Richard III ( www.imdb.com/title/tt0114279/) is notable in that it shows that Shakespeare travels through time very well. ;D |
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Post by dopeydog on Apr 9, 2009 11:59:34 GMT
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Post by hiddigeigei on Apr 9, 2009 20:36:16 GMT
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Post by heatsink on Apr 9, 2009 21:27:28 GMT
We'll, I just returned form Dr. Hansen's Talk, "Climate Threat to the Planet: Implications for Intergenerational and Environmental Justice." at Macky Auditorium at UC Bolder. I'm glad to report that he was not foaming from the mouth, had no puss extruding form his eyes and did not yell, scream or use profanity. In fact he was very mild mannered and gave a presentation which, on it's face, seemed reasonable. Unfortunately it raised more questions then it answered. He took only two easy questions before were we ushered out due to "auditorium scheduling." It would have been more enlightening if he was able to take some hard skeptical questions. His Presentation was a basic overview of the alarmist case. His slides also appeared in some of his other works that are posted on this web page. Some of the graphs can be found: www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2009/20090113_Temperature.pdfHis policy recommendations included a slide on a carbon tax and 100% dividend which I guess were based on his February 09 testimony to the House Ways and Means Committee. www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2009/20090226_WaysAndMeans.pdfHe spoke against Cap and Trade as ineffective and mentioned the use of 4th generation nuclear reactors as a potential option since "renewable" energy production will likely not be able to fill production needs. www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2009/20090226_WaysAndMeans.pdfHe didn't explain how society's use of energy will change if the taxes people pay on carbon are given right back to them. I guess he's not an economist and doesn't have a basic understanding of economics. The auditorium was packed (at least on the first level) but I got a seat about 10 rows from the stage. The woman next to me could not help commenting on each point made during the speech. "Oh my God." and "This is so scary." were two of her favorites. My eyeball guess was that 70% of the audience were well in to retirement - just like my seat neighbor. It seems the students had scheduling conflicts or better things to do. During the speech, Dr. Hansen reiterated a few predictions that he has made in the past. The bases of his predictions is his contention that stable climate is based on CO2 of 350/ppm or less and that humans produce 2/ppm of CO2 per year. He did acknowledge that CO2 was as much as 1000/ppm in the past but that was when the earth had lost it's polar icecaps. His conclusions included: 1. We will see an ice free arctic in 10 or 20 years. 2. We will see a 1 meter rise in sea levels by the end of the century. 3. The cooling since 2000 was base on a strong La Nina which is periodic and we will see a weak El Nino in the coming year. 4. CO2 emitted today will stay in the atmosphere for 1,000 years. 5. The warming of the world will cause desertification. 6. Since we are already over 350/ppm additional warming is in the pipeline - not experienced yet because of thermal inertia 7. We will see a new temperature record in the next year or two. |
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