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Post by sigurdur on Feb 28, 2012 4:32:49 GMT
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Post by Pooh on Feb 28, 2012 5:31:14 GMT
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Post by glennkoks on Mar 3, 2012 14:47:15 GMT
Pretty sharp turn upward in the amount ice. First time in a while that arctic sea ice has been within 2 standard deviations of the 1979-2011 average. Attachments:
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ant42
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Post by ant42 on Mar 3, 2012 22:49:17 GMT
socold says long term trend is down, nothing to see here. Despite recovering since 2007.
Just like temps are now at negative since 14 years ago, Sea Ice is slowly increasing, as is multi year ice. As this happens, slowly over the next 20 years the ice will increase in volume. And then he will need to move on to something else.
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Post by magellan on Mar 3, 2012 23:20:59 GMT
socold says long term trend is down, nothing to see here. Despite recovering since 2007. Just like temps are now at negative since 14 years ago, Sea Ice is slowly increasing, as is multi year ice. As this happens, slowly over the next 20 years the ice will increase in volume. And then he will need to move on to something else. Cryosat was supposed to validate PIOMAS (the GISS of ice volume data).
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Post by glennkoks on Mar 4, 2012 2:21:11 GMT
socold, is correct the longterm trend is down. But a recovery has to start somewhere.
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Post by trbixler on Mar 4, 2012 3:07:54 GMT
Hope it only recovers just a bit not too much.
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Post by trbixler on Mar 4, 2012 18:19:29 GMT
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Post by magellan on Mar 4, 2012 19:52:46 GMT
GISS is the true and accurate surface temperature record according to socold. It stands to reason then PIOMAS is better than all the other ice volume products (they show increasing volume) because it shows the greatest loss in ice volume in the Arctic thereby validating Hansen's honest and transparent Arctic temperatures he makes up. Anyone care to bet?
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Post by socold on Mar 4, 2012 20:54:57 GMT
"the other ice volume products (they show increasing volume)"
which other ice volume products?
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Post by magellan on Mar 5, 2012 6:56:54 GMT
"the other ice volume products (they show increasing volume)" which other ice volume products? Graywolf was always telling us how Cryosat was going to validate PIOMAS. It didn't, so we don't hear about it anymore. Ice cubes shrink rapidly as they get smaller. PIOMAS is on track for an ice free Arctic by end of 2012/2013. We've been hearing "its worse than we thought" for 4 years now from all the experts, and it was based on PIOMAS. Wanna bet it magically finds some ice the next two years when it can no longer be arguable PIOMAS is way off the mark?
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Post by tobyglyn on Mar 5, 2012 10:58:52 GMT
socold, is correct the longterm trend is down. But a recovery has to start somewhere. Longterm trend is down? You're kidding right? Your long must be pretty short
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Post by trbixler on Mar 5, 2012 15:17:41 GMT
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Post by glennkoks on Mar 5, 2012 21:56:03 GMT
"Longterm trend is down? You're kidding right?"
Longterm is a relative term. In this case 1979 to present.
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Post by glennkoks on Mar 5, 2012 22:01:41 GMT
1979-present sea ice Attachments:
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