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Post by Andrew on Aug 5, 2013 19:13:04 GMT
I'm sure in time he'll have a plausible explanation that will keep his fellow worshipers from backsliding. And of course the same will be true when massive inflation does not happen in 1 year and 8 months time, and the economic world is spinning with ups and downs after Christmas with a lack of total implosion due to what is happening today. It sort of goes with the territory of predicting the future with certainty. Yes the world could be a total basket case by Christmas but it seems an irrational idea at this point in time or at least something that has a probability of happening rather than a certainty of it happening The really curious thing is that it appears that a truelly massive number of words have been read to get to the conclusion of certainty, where long texts to the contrary are said to be invariably BS over substance and are never read. But such is the nature of faith and worship and as my mother would say 'do what i say! Not what i do!'  |
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Post by cuttydyer on Aug 6, 2013 11:37:37 GMT
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Post by thermostat on Aug 8, 2013 4:05:55 GMT
Most interestingly, yet another Arctic Storm is currently happening up there, the third one his summer!
The question is, so what? hmmm.
To flash back, it used to be that summer weather determined how much Arctic Sea Ice would melt. Then more recently, a whole bunch of ice melted in a big hurry, and the weather did not appear to matter so much. Now, in 2013 weather seems to be a big deal again.
It's August now and people want to know, "what's up!". Fair enough. The ice took a severe hit over multiple years. Today's ice is not what it used to be (smart money is not putting money down in Vegas on 'big ice').
Summer 2013 has shown that weather still matters regarding the Arctic Sea Ice. It will be most interesting to see how the ice cover responds to the current weather pattern.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 8, 2013 6:57:01 GMT
Most interestingly, yet another Arctic Storm is currently happening up there, the third one his summer! The question is, so what? hmmm. To flash back, it used to be that summer weather determined how much Arctic Sea Ice would melt. Then more recently, a whole bunch of ice melted in a big hurry, and the weather did not appear to matter so much. Now, in 2013 weather seems to be a big deal again. It's August now and people want to know, "what's up!". Fair enough. The ice took a severe hit over multiple years. Today's ice is not what it used to be (smart money is not putting money down in Vegas on 'big ice'). Summer 2013 has shown that weather still matters regarding the Arctic Sea Ice. It will be most interesting to see how the ice cover responds to the current weather pattern. You have a very myopic view of the world The fact is you have almost zero information about the arctic over the longer term and yet you are daily fixated upon the events of this year. You give the very strong impression that if the ice were to build over the next few years, your excitement and pleasure at the thought of doom would end, and you would then realise your life was devoid of meaning, and your life would totally fall apart Meanwhile my life would not change at all if the artic ice all melts by next summer. I would have no idea what the state of the ice would be in the future. As a beginning point, change is normal on Earth. The really ridiculous thing was your comment about everybody else being myopic! Daily you fixate on pin points of data and imagine it means enormous things. |
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Post by cuttydyer on Aug 8, 2013 7:34:55 GMT
The Arctic has returned to 0°C very early this summer:   |
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Post by nonentropic on Aug 8, 2013 7:52:25 GMT
its a known fact that every polar bear dies.
That's a dead one, discussion like how long they live is daft some live for longer than others this is a known thing.
even in the OSH world of man and women there is attrition. there will be silly polar bears who pushed the limit. this may be one.
Relax the population is growing even more will die in future.
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Post by cuttydyer on Aug 8, 2013 8:38:00 GMT
its a known fact that every polar bear dies. That's a dead one, discussion like how long they live is daft some live for longer than others this is a known thing. even in the OSH world of man and women there is attrition. there will be silly polar bears who pushed the limit. this may be one. Relax the population is growing even more will die in future. I particularly enjoyed the headline "The Polar Bear Who Died of Climate Change". The evening after reading this article I drove past a dead fox by the side of the road and couldn't help announcing to the kids in the back of the car "Oh look, the fox that died of climate change"... ___________________________________________________ EDIT: I can't believe how much publicity this story is receiving; just shows if you want a bit of media attention or increased funding find the nearest cute & cuddly animal corpse, take a picture of yourself with the deceased & claim: "it waz climate change what dun it"  Link: bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2013/8/7/polar-bears.html |
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Post by graywolf on Aug 8, 2013 10:48:01 GMT
Yup Thermo! Dipped to 976mb yesterday and , should the current models pan out it'll be spinning for a while yet? Seems to have drawn quite a bit of warm air into the C.A. as well? This should fully open the NW passage? Looks like the northern sea route is near open too with the stubburn sea ice around the NZ islands finally perishing?
This low has also brought us theDi-pole that we have been missing all summer? We may see lossesthrough Fram after all! This will also allow for compaction across the north coast of Greenland to?
I just wonder how well the central area of the pack will hold up to the rigors of this 3rd cyclone of the season? Concentration maps hadit looking very patchy prior to the storm ( I'm thinking of the eckmann pumping that sub 980 low will cause under the lows centre esp. now we are into the'bottom melt' end of the season?).
All in all it has been the best summer for ice presevation that we haveseen since the 07' collapse yet still we are in the lowest 5 area/extents ever recorded. What the hell are we to expect when we get an 'above average' summer?
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Aug 8, 2013 13:21:05 GMT
Yup Thermo! Dipped to 976mb yesterday and , should the current models pan out it'll be spinning for a while yet? Seems to have drawn quite a bit of warm air into the C.A. as well? This should fully open the NW passage? Looks like the northern sea route is near open too with the stubburn sea ice around the NZ islands finally perishing? This low has also brought us theDi-pole that we have been missing all summer? We may see lossesthrough Fram after all! This will also allow for compaction across the north coast of Greenland to? I just wonder how well the central area of the pack will hold up to the rigors of this 3rd cyclone of the season? Concentration maps hadit looking very patchy prior to the storm ( I'm thinking of the eckmann pumping that sub 980 low will cause under the lows centre esp. now we are into the'bottom melt' end of the season?). All in all it has been the best summer for ice presevation that we haveseen since the 07' collapse yet still we are in the lowest 5 area/extents ever recorded. What the hell are we to expect when we get an 'above average' summer? Pure dissimulation, Mr. Wolf. You constantly predict major ice loss, and when you turn out to be wrong, you duck and cover with this latest post. I'll tell you what I expect. A slow and irregular return return to conditions like we're seen in the 1970s, as the various natural climate cycles cool the arctic. More summers like 2013, fewer like 2007 or 2012. The alarmist's predictions of an an ice free arctic will be just as wrong as their climate model temperature and sea level predictions, and Dr. Hanson's famous prediction that the west side of Manhattan will be under water by 2009. It seems to me that virtually every prediction the alarmists have made that should have come to fruition before today has been wrong, Rather than admit yourntheory has turned out to be flawed, off you go with your "what the hell are we to expect . . ." Dissimulations. I'm willing to wait til 2020 so we can compare on Arctic Ice. Stay in touch, buddy. |
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Post by trbixler on Aug 8, 2013 14:29:06 GMT
So why are all of the doom and gloom AGWers not relieved? "Second Largest Arctic Ice Gain On Record"  link |
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Post by sigurdur on Aug 8, 2013 14:45:22 GMT
A good watch. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ndHwW8psR8Note how the ice conditions are described during the early-mid 70's. Then think about when the metric for Arctic Ice starts via satellite. Interesting eh? |
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Post by trbixler on Aug 8, 2013 21:06:09 GMT
Not to question the obvious but today is 8 Aug 2013. It seems the addenda is for 2012 attached to the Aug 2013 report. Seems a little confusing to an older person like myself.
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Post by douglavers on Aug 8, 2013 21:21:55 GMT
Temperature just left the diving board, for one of the shortest Arctic Summers on record. ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.phpSorry I can't show the graph - I have not mastered the technology. Looking back at most of the previous years on COI, once temperatures dip below freezing they rarely rise above zero again [until Spring!!]. Also, it is clear from the average that going through zero marks a break in trend - thereafter fall is steep. This presumably reflects freezing of surface water and increased reflectance. |
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Post by sigurdur on Aug 8, 2013 21:52:34 GMT
It froze in Manitoba last night. -0.6C. On the twitter feed, the guy was hoping his canola wasn't affected.
This is TOOOOOOOO early for this, and I only hope that this year the temps jumps up in the Arctic again.......till Christmas or so.
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Post by throttleup on Aug 8, 2013 23:16:48 GMT
Temperature just left the diving board, for one of the shortest Arctic Summers on record. ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.phpSorry I can't show the graph - I have not mastered the technology. Looking back at most of the previous years on COI, once temperatures dip below freezing they rarely rise above zero again [until Spring!!]. Also, it is clear from the average that going through zero marks a break in trend - thereafter fall is steep. This presumably reflects freezing of surface water and increased reflectance.
Here ya go! |
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