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Post by numerouno on Aug 20, 2013 13:46:54 GMT
"A paper published by the Danish Meteorological Institute finds a remarkable correlation of Arctic sea ice observations"
Nice try skimming denialist blogs sites (which is apparently all you ever read), but if you read the title of the actual paper, you'll find these were not "Arctic sea ice observations".
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Post by magellan on Aug 20, 2013 13:50:01 GMT
"A paper published by the Danish Meteorological Institute finds a remarkable correlation of Arctic sea ice observations" Nice try skimming denialist blogs sites (which is apparently all you ever read), but if you read the title of the actual paper, you'll find these were not "Arctic sea ice observations". Greenland is no longer part of the Arctic? First Alaska (the original poster child for AGW, aka 'the canary in the coal mine'), now Greenland. |
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Post by magellan on Aug 20, 2013 13:53:51 GMT
One should note Neven and John Cook do not post published articles that cause them to question their faith based Arctic belief system.
Neven doesn't think much of anyone posting inconvenient data, so he simply deletes and/or bans them.
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Post by magellan on Aug 20, 2013 13:55:00 GMT
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Post by numerouno on Aug 20, 2013 14:09:41 GMT
"A paper published by the Danish Meteorological Institute finds a remarkable correlation of Arctic sea ice observations" Nice try skimming denialist blogs sites (which is apparently all you ever read), but if you read the title of the actual paper, you'll find these were not "Arctic sea ice observations". Greenland is no longer part of the Arctic? First Alaska (the original poster child for AGW, aka 'the canary in the coal mine'), now Greenland. Magellan, please a close look at title of the actual paper. Pause, and see carefully, you'll find there is no "Arctic sea ice". |
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Post by magellan on Aug 20, 2013 14:22:11 GMT
Greenland is no longer part of the Arctic? First Alaska (the original poster child for AGW, aka 'the canary in the coal mine'), now Greenland. Magellan, please a close look at title of the actual paper. Pause, and see carefully, you'll find there is no "Arctic sea ice". Sure Numo, Alaska and the Bering Sea isn't related to the Arctic either, even though Mark Serreze said "all of the action is in the Bering Sea". When will he update his expert analysis on that region? He simply just moves the goal posts and forgets what he said in the past. |
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Post by magellan on Aug 20, 2013 14:28:22 GMT
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Post by magellan on Aug 20, 2013 14:41:20 GMT
Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts.......
Xinhua News Agency – 1 March 2008
“If Norway’s average temperature this year equals that in 2007, the ice cap in the Arctic will all melt away, which is highly possible judging from current conditions,” Orheim said.
[Dr. Olav Orheim - Norwegian International Polar Year Secretariat]
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Canada.com – 16 November 2007
“According to these models, there will be no sea ice left in the summer in the Arctic Ocean somewhere between 2010 and 2015.
“And it’s probably going to happen even faster than that,” said Fortier,””
[Professor Louis Fortier - Université Laval, Director ArcticNet]
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National Geographic – 12 December 2007
“NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally said: “At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions.” ”
[Dr. Jay Zwally - NASA]
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BBC – 12 December 2007
“Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007,”…….”So given that fact, you can argue that may be our projection of 2013 is already too conservative.”
[Professor Wieslaw Maslowski]
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Independent – 27 June 2008
Exclusive: Scientists warn that there may be no ice at North Pole this summer
“…..It is quite likely that the North Pole will be exposed this summer – it’s not happened before,” Professor Wadhams said.”
[Professor Peter Wadhams - Cambridge University]
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Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences
Vol. 40: 625-654 – May 2012
The Future of Arctic Sea Ice
“…..one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of seasonal sea ice cover…..”
[Professor Wieslaw Maslowski]
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Yale Environment360 – 30 August 2012
“If this rate of melting [in 2012] is sustained in 2013, we are staring down the barrel and looking at a summer Arctic which is potentially free of sea ice within this decade,”
[Dr. Mark Drinkwater]
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Guardian – 17 September 2012
“This collapse, I predicted would occur in 2015-16 at which time the summer Arctic (August to September) would become ice-free. The final collapse towards that state is now happening and will probably be complete by those dates“.
[Professor Peter Wadhams - Cambridge University]
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Sierra Club – March 23, 2013
“For the record—I do not think that any sea ice will survive this summer. An event unprecedented in human history is today, this very moment, transpiring in the Arctic Ocean….”
[Paul Beckwith - PhD student paleoclimatology and climatology - part-time professor]
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Financial Times Magazine – 2 August 2013
“It could even be this year or next year but not later than 2015 there won’t be any ice in the Arctic in the summer,”
[Professor Peter Wadhams - Cambridge University]
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Post by icefisher on Aug 20, 2013 15:02:34 GMT
Numno did you not notice that Serreze is talking about 2012 and the question is about 2013? The physics have not been changed from the last year. So warm air entering the arctic in 2012 melted ice to record lows, and warm air entering the arctic this year did not melt ice to record lows. I find your explanation lacking. Physics indeed does not change, the only thing changing here is your story. Where is this heat that melts ice one year and not another? |
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Post by numerouno on Aug 20, 2013 15:28:29 GMT
The physics have not been changed from the last year. So warm air entering the arctic in 2012 melted ice to record lows, and warm air entering the arctic this year did not melt ice to record lows. I find your explanation lacking. Physics indeed does not change, the only thing changing here is your story. Where is this heat that melts ice one year and not another? We did not have the successive cyclones of 2013 in 2012, or I have missed something. |
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Post by magellan on Aug 20, 2013 15:38:22 GMT
Numo, it is very easy to locate Graywolf's ramblings and Neven precognitions to illustrate how little is really known about what controls Arctic climate. In June Neven predicted a ["falling off the cliff"] any day, which when did not happen caused him great distress. He's just as clueless as anyone else, including the "experts".
At the very least, they need to explain the rapid cooling of Alaska over the past decade via AGW "theory". The idea that the Arctic is the earth's thermostat is completely laughable. We were told as the Arctic warmed and sea ice diminished, global warming would accelerate and snow would be a "thing of the past", particularly in Europe. When the opposite occurred, the "experts" had to make up a new fairy tale; less ice means colder weather! Even the gullible German public is getting fed up with the scam.
Now in the shortest, coldest Arctic summer since 1958 (when records began) that nobody predicted, and Neven became depressed over, the heat must have gone somewhere. Where is it hiding? Shouldn't it show up in LT satellite data somewhere? Did it migrate to the South Pole? Will we be told it is hiding in the oceans again?
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Post by dresi on Aug 20, 2013 19:13:44 GMT
The only thing that fell off the cliff is Graywolf's posting frequency.
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Post by numerouno on Aug 20, 2013 19:28:45 GMT
My Sept 15th linear trend fitting prediction:  |
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Post by sigurdur on Aug 20, 2013 20:32:47 GMT
Amazing how deceptive linear trends can be.
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Post by numerouno on Aug 20, 2013 20:56:03 GMT
Amazing how deceptive linear trends can be. It always amazes even myself. But I've learned over here from some posters that linear it shall be. |
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