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Post by scpg02 on Nov 3, 2014 20:11:44 GMT
Remember it is a single paper that has not been independently confirmed by other researchers. It could be wrong until it is confirmed. Actually I have seen many papers verified by peer review and subsequent papers that were still wrong. And I've seen this more than once on more than one issue. Sadly, the scientists who participate, are so ensconced in their self righteous beliefs, they will never see it. |
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Post by Ratty on Nov 3, 2014 22:11:02 GMT
Remember it is a single paper that has not been independently confirmed by other researchers. It could be wrong until it is confirmed. Actually I have seen many papers verified by peer review and subsequent papers that were still wrong. And I've seen this more than once on more than one issue. Sadly, the scientists who participate, are so ensconced in their self righteous beliefs, they will never see it. You can say that again !! Perhaps this report from NASA is worth mentioning: Study Finds Earth’s Ocean Abyss Has Not Warmed |
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 4, 2014 1:38:48 GMT
Actually I have seen many papers verified by peer review and subsequent papers that were still wrong. And I've seen this more than once on more than one issue. Sadly, the scientists who participate, are so ensconced in their self righteous beliefs, they will never see it. You can say that again !! Perhaps this report from NASA is worth mentioning: Study Finds Earth’s Ocean Abyss Has Not WarmedConfirmation of the paper just published. |
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Post by magellan on Nov 4, 2014 3:41:09 GMT
"There was a paper published recently that dispelled the idea the heat is hiding in the oceans." Actually it did not. There is an imbalance between the heat increase in the oceans (which is large) and the heat that some models claim should have been stored in the oceans. This can mean that (1) heat is being transported deeper into the oceans than thought until now, (2) the models are wrong, (3) the uncertainties are larger in the either the measured or modeled energy storage, or (4) the heat is going somewhere else. The paper just CLAIMS to have eliminated only (1). Remember it is a single paper that has not been independently confirmed by other researchers. It could be wrong until it is confirmed. How about this: the heat never existed in the first place because it never made it to the surface! Only oceans can absorb and store SW solar radiation, and only SW radiation can warm the oceans to any measurable degree, and does so mostly in the first 300 meters IIRC. Michael Mann had multiple "independently confirmed" research, and it all turned out to be CRAP. Then there was Keith Briffa and the "warmest tree in the world", and upside graphs etc. etc. etc.. Herd mentality is not science, neither is consensus or even peer review itself. Did you even read the Climategate emails? There was a concerted effort to keep opposing research of the Team from being published. This is why I don't bother trying to have conversations with the likes of you anymore. You have blinders on and get your talking points from the same sources other pro-AGW get theirs. It's like you read from the same manual, and very likely much comes from Skeptical Science and those band of liars. It only takes ONE person to overturn decades of bad science. Michael Mann tried and got caught cheating. One man took down the hockey stick, and if you try to defend it, that just cements my view you're just a lackey for them and have no interest in honest debate. Ben Santer is another dishonest broker who refused to release his data and methods. It took a threat of a court order to force him. These so called "scientists" are nothing but political tools to further an agenda, nothing more. Now, if you will, explain the missing hot spot in the tropical troposphere. MM10 (McIntyre/McKitrick) has yet to be invalidated. So time to belly up to the bar and start providing some data. I've done it many times, but it goes over your heads like a lead balloon. Science is about making predictions. You cannot show anywhere in "the literature" where it was predicted the heat would skip past the first 300 meters, 700 meters or 1200 meters of ocean depths undetected, and there being 17+ years of no warming (even after the fraudulent "adjustments"). It is laughable how desperate the AGW cult has become. |
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Post by magellan on Nov 4, 2014 3:54:44 GMT
Actually I have seen many papers verified by peer review and subsequent papers that were still wrong. And I've seen this more than once on more than one issue. Sadly, the scientists who participate, are so ensconced in their self righteous beliefs, they will never see it. You can say that again !! Perhaps this report from NASA is worth mentioning: Study Finds Earth’s Ocean Abyss Has Not WarmedAnd 2005 is the year when ARGO was considered to have been fully implemented. There's a reason why the Team had to get rid of the "blip". di2.nu/foia/1254108338.txtLying POS the lot of them. |
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Post by scpg02 on Nov 4, 2014 4:48:51 GMT
"There was a paper published recently that dispelled the idea the heat is hiding in the oceans." Actually it did not. There is an imbalance between the heat increase in the oceans (which is large) and the heat that some models claim should have been stored in the oceans. This can mean that (1) heat is being transported deeper into the oceans than thought until now, (2) the models are wrong, (3) the uncertainties are larger in the either the measured or modeled energy storage, or (4) the heat is going somewhere else. The paper just CLAIMS to have eliminated only (1). Remember it is a single paper that has not been independently confirmed by other researchers. It could be wrong until it is confirmed. How about this: the heat never existed in the first place because it never made it to the surface! Only oceans can absorb and store SW solar radiation, and only SW radiation can warm the oceans to any measurable degree, and does so mostly in the first 300 meters IIRC. Michael Mann had multiple "independently confirmed" research, and it all turned out to be CRAP. Then there was Keith Briffa and the "warmest tree in the world", and upside graphs etc. etc. etc.. Herd mentality is not science, neither is consensus or even peer review itself. Did you even read the Climategate emails? There was a concerted effort to keep opposing research of the Team from being published. This is why I don't bother trying to have conversations with the likes of you anymore. You have blinders on and get your talking points from the same sources other pro-AGW get theirs. It's like you read from the same manual, and very likely much comes from Skeptical Science and those band of liars. It only takes ONE person to overturn decades of bad science. Michael Mann tried and got caught cheating. One man took down the hockey stick, and if you try to defend it, that just cements my view you're just a lackey for them and have no interest in honest debate. Ben Santer is another dishonest broker who refused to release his data and methods. It took a threat of a court order to force him. These so called "scientists" are nothing but political tools to further an agenda, nothing more. Now, if you will, explain the missing hot spot in the tropical troposphere. MM10 (McIntyre/McKitrick) has yet to be invalidated. So time to belly up to the bar and start providing some data. I've done it many times, but it goes over your heads like a lead balloon. Science is about making predictions. You cannot show anywhere in "the literature" where it was predicted the heat would skip past the first 300 meters, 700 meters or 1200 meters of ocean depths undetected, and there being 17+ years of no warming (even after the fraudulent "adjustments"). It is laughable how desperate the AGW cult has become. And that's just on AGW. We could talk fish, owls, red legged frogs, and fairy shrimp. |
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Post by Ratty on Nov 4, 2014 11:50:28 GMT
[ Snip ] Lying POS the lot of them. Don't hold back Magellan.  |
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 8, 2014 12:06:19 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 16, 2014 18:07:14 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 16, 2014 18:46:20 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 20, 2014 1:39:27 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 21, 2014 4:32:05 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 23, 2014 1:27:17 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 24, 2014 19:11:26 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Nov 24, 2014 21:34:42 GMT
I (think I) know what the result would (likely) be in Queensland, Australia if a poll was held right now. Hmmmmm. Might apply for a government grant to do some serious research. |
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