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Post by numerouno on Jul 3, 2013 9:12:49 GMT
Mr. Número and Mr wolf, Let's assume you both are correct that unprecedented warming is occurring in the arctic. I am curious. Is this a problem? If so, why are you both so gleeful about the verification of your predictions? Are you misanthropes? If not, why the interest in arctic ice? Just a passing fancy, or do you want to see humanity reduce its numbers after suffering through the failure of the electrical grid? Is it wiser to preserve the arctic ice as billions die? What is your agenda? I can't possibly see what the status of the electrical grid has got to do with diminishing Arctic ice, so I'm afraid I am unable to comment. As we can see, there is a high cost associated with climate change. We should not upset it any more than what its way already is naturally.
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Post by numerouno on Jul 3, 2013 11:18:05 GMT
Fiddling with the numbers again, nothing new. It's just more dishonest government hacks playing the same tricks. I think those numbers were read directly off an old-fashioned mechanical thermometer? Do you see any UHI influence, and if you see, what would those be? Do you see any siting problems, and if you see, what would those be? What do you have in the way of proof of a supposed intentional change in the station setup? Do you reckon the government has similarly influenced and/or modified the readings at the other stations recording at the same time? Who are the people you say are conspiring, and against whom are they actually conspiring? And -- are you sure the stubborn denial will help at all here?
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 3, 2013 16:50:52 GMT
If you look at the enthalpy of the atmosphere where that temperature occurred you will find that the US east coast with temperatures in the 80's F but with humidity in 80 - 90% has around twice to three times the heat energy in Kilojoules per Kilogram. CO2 is meant to trap heat measures of atmospheric temperatures are meaningless when measuring heat content. But let the empty headed media (and some others) get excited about the wrong metric it goes down well with the information poor populace when persuading them to pay more tax.
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Post by numerouno on Jul 3, 2013 17:56:17 GMT
"If you look at the enthalpy of the atmosphere where that temperature occurred you will find that the US east coast with temperatures in the 80's F but with humidity in 80 - 90% has around twice to three times the heat energy in Kilojoules per Kilogram."
Yes I recall this is some of your private entertainment nobody else seems to understand the meaning of.
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Post by numerouno on Jul 3, 2013 18:59:13 GMT
Alaska Heat Wave: 90-Degree Temperatures Break Weather Records By iScienceTimes Staff on June 26, 2013 12:14 PM EDT www.isciencetimes.com/articles/5504/20130626/alaska-heat-wave-record-breaking-temperatures.htmTemperatures have recently gone above 90 degrees, an extremely rare occurrence in Alaska. Fairbanks has only reached temperatures of 90 or above 14 times in the last 109 years. Alaska reached a record-breaking 96 degrees on Tuesday in the town of Talkeetna, about 100 miles north of Anchorage. ...
"I've been doing meteorology for 30 years and the jet stream the last three years has done stuff I've never seen," said Jeff Masters, meteorology director at Weather Underground. "The fact that the jet stream is unusual could be an indicator of something. I'm not saying we know what it is."
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Post by Andrew on Jul 3, 2013 19:38:44 GMT
Alaska Heat Wave: 90-Degree Temperatures Break Weather Records By iScienceTimes Staff on June 26, 2013 12:14 PM EDT www.isciencetimes.com/articles/5504/20130626/alaska-heat-wave-record-breaking-temperatures.htmTemperatures have recently gone above 90 degrees, an extremely rare occurrence in Alaska. Fairbanks has only reached temperatures of 90 or above 14 times in the last 109 years. Alaska reached a record-breaking 96 degrees on Tuesday in the town of Talkeetna, about 100 miles north of Anchorage. ...
"I've been doing meteorology for 30 years and the jet stream the last three years has done stuff I've never seen," said Jeff Masters, meteorology director at Weather Underground. "The fact that the jet stream is unusual could be an indicator of something. I'm not saying we know what it is."Funny how it is climate news when a weather man with 30 years experience has not seen something before. It is a great pity that there are no humans alive still who were around before a thermometer was invented about one second ago in geological time.
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 3, 2013 19:47:48 GMT
"If you look at the enthalpy of the atmosphere where that temperature occurred you will find that the US east coast with temperatures in the 80's F but with humidity in 80 - 90% has around twice to three times the heat energy in Kilojoules per Kilogram."Yes I recall this is some of your private entertainment nobody else seems to understand the meaning of. Well, heating and ventilation engineers understand enthalpy so do meteorologists, but it seems to stump climate scientists. Effectively it is the specific heat of the atmosphere corrected for its water vapor content. It takes far less heat energy (in kilojoules) to raise the temperature of a volume of atmosphere (in Kilograms) that is dry (a low relative humidity) than when it is humid (a high relative humidity). Consequently, raving about a high temperature in a dry area shows a distinct lack of knowledge - or a level of mendacity. Getting concerned about time of day of maxima and minima is similarly misleading. But then one gets somewhat used to climatology not following the normal constructs of science or engineering.
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Post by nonentropic on Jul 3, 2013 22:42:04 GMT
Funny how a 30 year work career is considered a long time and thus a slam dunk for "knowing" but climate cycles and they exist have cycles from decades to the millennial.
It could be argued that the 30 year career is a perfect weather noting span, pity about the human memory accuracy.
very hot though in those places.
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Post by nonentropic on Jul 3, 2013 22:53:28 GMT
Naut i like the enthalpy discussion but we have an extraordinarily week system of gauging temperature and producing a world average so adding an energy volume element will just make it impossible and we would have no history.
I do remember an article some years ago that tallied the number of potential weather records on planet earth that are able to be projected by the media and the number of record highs, lows, wet, dry etc is stupendous. the point of the article was that there are hundreds of records required to be broken per day to ensure we don't end up with a backlog. all that, UHI and homogenization just open the window on massive flow of doom.
Relax in the sun if its sunny if not sail or ski etc etc etc.
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Post by numerouno on Jul 3, 2013 23:13:09 GMT
Well, heating and ventilation engineers understand enthalpy so do meteorologists, but it seems to stump climate scientists. So apparently that makes you a certified ventilation engineer then.
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Post by icefisher on Jul 4, 2013 4:00:46 GMT
"I've been doing meteorology for 30 years and the jet stream the last three years has done stuff I've never seen," said Jeff Masters, meteorology director at Weather Underground. "The fact that the jet stream is unusual could be an indicator of something. I'm not saying we know what it is." Inexperience is most of the explanation. In the last several years I have seen an awful lot of stuff I hadn't seen for 40-50 years. Life in the ocean where I live looks one heckuva alot more like 50 years ago that it does 20 years ago. Its not a subtle difference either at least to those who see more than water when they look at the ocean.
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Post by Andrew on Jul 4, 2013 7:57:02 GMT
Well, heating and ventilation engineers understand enthalpy so do meteorologists, but it seems to stump climate scientists. So apparently that makes you a certified ventilation engineer then. I diagnosed and reported to my Helsinki approved district heating substation installing supervisor that the hot and 'cold' helsinki supply water connections were reversed. The superviser came around within the hour and the pipes were correctly installed about three hours later by the original installer and subsequently the installer was sacked. Does that make me an approved Helsinki district heating installer? I also diagnosed and reported that the outside temperature sensor was on the wrong wall, found they forgot about it and moved it myself. Does that make me a certified electrician and all round licenced heating expert?
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Post by numerouno on Jul 4, 2013 15:01:06 GMT
"I've been doing meteorology for 30 years and the jet stream the last three years has done stuff I've never seen," said Jeff Masters, meteorology director at Weather Underground. "The fact that the jet stream is unusual could be an indicator of something. I'm not saying we know what it is." Inexperience is most of the explanation. In the last several years I have seen an awful lot of stuff I hadn't seen for 40-50 years. Life in the ocean where I live looks one heckuva alot more like 50 years ago that it does 20 years ago. Its not a subtle difference either at least to those who see more than water when they look at the ocean. Ok, thank you for telling me that everyone in the denialist camp is upset about the new temperature record, largely I think because it happened at a national icon in the U.S. There are credible people who say this measurement could in fact be the highest temp recorded anywhere anytime on the planet's surface. www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/comment.html?entrynum=3Meanwhile, behold the customary sign of the coming years: the unusually shaped jetstream over a whole continent! wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2452
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 4, 2013 16:26:01 GMT
numerouno:
The unusual jet stream shape is only unusual if you keep the time reference very short.
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Post by magellan on Jul 4, 2013 16:43:48 GMT
The list of unsubstantiated psychobabble from Jeff Masters is long.
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