birder
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Post by birder on Jul 9, 2013 22:11:32 GMT
I will try again Mr. UNO. Let us assume for the sake of argument that your post is accurate and the data you cite is significant. What do you propose needs to be done to"solve" what you obviously believe to be a serious problem? Please do not whip yourselves into empty rage. I propose nothing that should be done. Let the free enterprise solve the situation as it comes, while I also say we have a good chance of entering a state-run emergency economics at some time. As far as I can recall, I have never issued a single polical remedy anywhere on this board. I only ask people to stop bulshitting themselves. This is not a meteorological station siting or a statistical error no longer, if it ever was. The signs of a major climatic shift for the seriously more unpredictable are everywhere. I agree with you about a major climatic shift, but I expect it to get much colder in the winters, even if it happens I think we will survive some how.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 10, 2013 1:42:00 GMT
I will try again Mr. UNO. Let us assume for the sake of argument that your post is accurate and the data you cite is significant. What do you propose needs to be done to"solve" what you obviously believe to be a serious problem? Please do not whip yourselves into empty rage. I propose nothing that should be done. Let the free enterprise solve the situation as it comes, while I also say we have a good chance of entering a state-run emergency economics at some time. As far as I can recall, I have never issued a single polical remedy anywhere on this board. I only ask people to stop bulshitting themselves. This is not a meteorological station siting or a statistical error no longer, if it ever was. The signs of a major climatic shift for the seriously more unpredictable are everywhere. The signs of major climate shifts have always been with us. We are not out of the bounds of the Holocene period. There have been so many climate shifts during the Holocene that one loses count. Will we continue to be flat in surface temp? Cool off? Warm up? We can go in any direction or no direction and it would be part of the normal patterns.
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 10, 2013 2:10:20 GMT
I will try again Mr. UNO. Let us assume for the sake of argument that your post is accurate and the data you cite is significant. What do you propose needs to be done to"solve" what you obviously believe to be a serious problem? The reason for the catastrophe that will overtake us is CO2 output by humans who will all DIE if the emissions continue..... therefore we will tax the emissions and allow them to continue provided the emitters get a permit... This is not logical indeed the idea that emissions can continue as long as they are taxed is an explicit acceptance that the catastrophe is NOT going to happen. Therefore, the people talking of carbon taxes know that the CAGW hypothesis is false but it's a nice little earner.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 10, 2013 3:46:15 GMT
. Just think how unhealthy NOT burning fossil fuel would be. No frozen foods, no fresh veggies year round. Rotten meat and cold homes. Gosh. Fossil fuels look pretty good!
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Post by cuttydyer on Jul 10, 2013 8:08:04 GMT
Steven Goddard reports: Hottest Day Of The Year On The Greenland Ice Sheet July 10 is typically the hottest day of the year on the Greenland ice sheet. It is -12C and snowing right now in the center of the ice sheet. Temperatures have not risen anywhere close to the freezing mark this summer.
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Post by cuttydyer on Jul 10, 2013 9:51:31 GMT
Toronto: Record-smashing rains knocked out power to hundreds of thousands of residents across the Toronto area, shutting down subways, forcing some people to cling to trees and leaving about 1,400 passengers stranded for hours on a commuter train filled with gushing water. Mississauga, a city of more than 700,000, saw some of the worst of the blackouts with 80 per cent of the community plunged into the dark, according to power distributor Enersource. Trounces previous one-day rainfall record Environment Canada said some parts of the Greater Toronto Area had been drenched with more than 100 millimetres (4 inches) of rain, trouncing the previous one-day rainfall record of 29.2 mm in 2008 for Toronto. It even beat the 74.4 mm monthly average for July. “We had 90 millimetres of rain within an hour and a half at the airport,” said Peter Kimbell, a meteorologist at Environment Canada, who said the storm ranked among the most intense rainfalls the city has ever seen.
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Post by numerouno on Jul 10, 2013 16:35:58 GMT
Remember I told you about the false "happy hours" the "it's a recovery/it's cooling" folks might momentarily enjoy. Of course NumeroUno is not #1 for nothing!
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Post by icefisher on Jul 10, 2013 17:45:08 GMT
Remember I told you about the false "happy hours" the "it's a recovery/it's cooling" folks might momentarily enjoy. Of course NumeroUno is not #1 for nothing! Your buddy Tstat says all that matters is ice volume. After all thick ice is a combination of both thicker frozen layers and vertically oriented slabs of ice where extent is compacted by the forces of nature. It appears ice volume is hugely above what was projected for 2013. This appears to be statistically equal to the biggest ice changes in the entire record, even exceeding the 2008 over 2007 recovery at this point in time. Off of this information, I think I will predict a volume increase for the ice volume minimum over 2012 and I am going to predict what some have said has never occurred that 2013 minimum extent will exceed the 2007 minimum extent. (might have been gray whale that pointed out once a minimum record was set, never has the previous record low been exceeded.) So I am going out on a limb and saying thats going to happen this year, though it should be neck to neck coming down to the wire due to the fact volume was reduced greatly since 2007. Also on the basis of my theory of low ice begetting negative feedback (as seen in 2008), its likely 2014 will not match 2013 in ice recovery; but I do expect a general lasting ice recovery by around 2020 give or take several years. I have it out there so far because of the negative feedbacks the ice cap offers to global climate, being insulative of the oceans. . . .lots of ice/lots of insulation. . . .little ice/little insulation.
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Post by graywolf on Jul 10, 2013 17:49:34 GMT
There's no 'Victory' in that Numerouno, none at all.
You know full well that they will be back next season peddling the same old Steer Plop as though nothing had happened?
I used to hope that the Weather weirding would be enough to make them at least see the 'pattern' emerging but they do not , even if it is a neighbour that cops it they will still sing the same old song.
We just need sit tight and know that they will fall by the denial they peddle.....end of.
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Post by graywolf on Jul 10, 2013 17:49:47 GMT
.How very odd? now 'a model' is what is their 'good book'.....just when folk are quesdtioning whether we can put faith in the spring PIOMAS due to the mess PAC13 left the pack in the model gains a new faithful?
No worries, once the km square is all water there can be no mistake that ice volume there is Zero?
Then we reset and the modellers learn from the amazing conditions that this oddest of seasons has brought to us all.
The next 2 weeks of this Beaufort High will just about do it and in time for the July update. This is how we make our models better though is it not?
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Post by icefisher on Jul 10, 2013 18:25:07 GMT
.How very odd? now 'a model' is what is their 'good book'.....just when folk are quesdtioning whether we can put faith in the spring PIOMAS due to the mess PAC13 left the pack in the model gains a new faithful? No worries, once the km square is all water there can be no mistake that ice volume there is Zero? Then we reset and the modellers learn from the amazing conditions that this oddest of seasons has brought to us all. The next 2 weeks of this Beaufort High will just about do it and in time for the July update. This is how we make our models better though is it not? Gee talking about throwing Thermostat under the bus! Not a moments hesitation! Keep in mind Graywhale that ice slabs when packed crack up and go vertical increasing thickness. That is at least one potential result of the crackapopalypse (sp?) you said you observed earlier this year. How did you rule that out man? After all about the time you observed it observations were causing ice thickness to soar above previous years. Or is it in your world dogma explains all observations? Indeed PIOMAS is a model, the predicted ice volume, dashed line, is the output of the model. The current changes to that, solid line, are constraints put on the model by observations. One should also note the confidence range bars placed on the model output (dashed line). This is indicative of historic variation of actual observations from the model. Just recently the ice volume has exceeded the confidence range of historic variation (I will attribute that to my theory of negative feedback to ice loss that the models have failed to adequately capture, record ice loss record negative feedback equals a run outside the error bars).
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Post by nonentropic on Jul 10, 2013 19:09:26 GMT
its good to know it not world temperature related though otherwise no fool would discuss it and know how the south of the world continues to grow in area and volume.
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Post by numerouno on Jul 10, 2013 23:40:17 GMT
It's just one huge chain of recoveries in sight one after another:
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Post by numerouno on Jul 10, 2013 23:59:11 GMT
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Post by numerouno on Jul 11, 2013 0:24:33 GMT
Red Currants, ripe, growing location in the wild, Hämeenlinna Finland, Jul 9th, 2013.
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