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Post by numerouno on Jul 7, 2013 22:51:32 GMT
The likelihood that our short recordkeeping era constantly should turn out continental records or warmth at an increasing pace is practically nil.
Either we are just incredibly unlucky with natural random processes, or there is something happening here that we are the actual source of.
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Post by icefisher on Jul 8, 2013 1:00:21 GMT
The likelihood that our short recordkeeping era constantly should turn out continental records or warmth at an increasing pace is practically nil. Either we are just incredibly unlucky with natural random processes, or there is something happening here that we are the actual source of. Duh! The reason 2001 to 2010 is the warmest on record in our short record keeping is because the 1991 to 2000 period warmed at a near record pace. However before the 2001 to 2010 decade was out it had been cooling for over 10 years. Talking about the potential for a "last hurrah" statistic this is it and somebody should note that no decade since on a second by second, minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day, week by week, month by month, quarter by quarter, or year by year basis has been warmer. Here is the a chart showing the warming progression. Note that the "10 year" warming trends went negative in late 2010. I will probably need to update this chart sometime in the future to show the 10 year trends remain in the negative territory since. Once again for the fans: "Elvis Has Left The Building"
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 8, 2013 1:39:45 GMT
Icefisher: WE can't let facts interrupt our thought process.
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Post by nonentropic on Jul 8, 2013 3:39:09 GMT
were doomed I'm just not sure from what but worrying is a given.
yes unprecedented worrying in post 9/11 history, that's a constrained unprecedented not some woofy limitless unprecedented.
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Post by numerouno on Jul 8, 2013 7:28:36 GMT
(WMO July 2013)
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Post by cuttydyer on Jul 8, 2013 7:34:15 GMT
The planet has warmed faster since the turn of the century than ever recorded, almost doubling the pace of sea-level increase and causing a 20-fold jump in heat-related deaths, the United Nations said.The decade through 2010 was the warmest for both hemispheres and for land and sea, the UN’s World Meteorological Organisation said Wednesday in an e-mailed report examining climate trends for the beginning of the millennium. Almost 94 per cent of countries logged their warmest 10 years on record, it said. Read more: www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/globe-warms-at-unprecedented-rate-wmo-report-says-20130703-2pchd.html#ixzz2YORVhVjo For their report they've used 10-Year averages, let’s see what a rolling average looks like: Temperature trends over the last decade: Northern Hemisphere HADCRUT3 unadjusted: Northern Hemisphere HADCRUT4: Northern Hemisphere HADSST2 sea surface temp. anom.: Northern Hemisphere HADSST3 sea surface temp. anom.: Southern Hemisphere HADCRUT3 unadjusted: Southern Hemisphere HADCRUT4: Southern Hemisphere HADSST2 sea surface temp. anom.: Southern Hemisphere HADSST3 sea surface temp. anom.:
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Post by nonentropic on Jul 8, 2013 9:26:11 GMT
well presented set of data and any person would have to question the status of the current debate.
for the record I think we need to watch all the indicators that's the very strength of education etc. but the religiosity of the CAGW movement is a big concern, you do wonder if the world was better with "conventional" faith rather than this pseudoscience faith that is a combination that has allow the state to start recolonizing the faith arena.
the sectarian dream of a world where science, faith and governance of country are separated is a big struggle. The left starting with the communist world and further pushed by the national socialists all the way to the Blair government subverted this very important ideal.
in my view its the struggle for next period, the ruling class are not easily pushed from their position.
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Post by icefisher on Jul 8, 2013 9:49:08 GMT
(WMO July 2013) Numno your buddy over at Watching the Deniers watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/ strongly criticized Anthony Watts for using an NCDC graphic that did not include error bars. If you put error bars on the absolute temperature of the planet then it isn't certain there has been any warming. Potential error is estimated at about 2c. On this graph there isn't even that much variance between the most extreme decades. In fact if you added in 1871-1880 the amount of warming over that 10 year longer record is even less. Obviously I believe there has been because of solar activity increasing over the past 300+ years, but keeping everything in perspective since the warming is not even outside of the error bars its nothing to get excited about.
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Post by throttleup on Jul 8, 2013 23:27:26 GMT
Cutty, I like your charts! But it appears you have posted them upside-down. As the Earth is burning to a crisp (so we're told), I'm sure it's just an inadvertent oversight on your part. But do try to be more careful next time. What if an impressionable youngster saw them? It might make them THINK. Can't have that now, can we? Cheers!
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Jul 9, 2013 0:17:33 GMT
The planet has warmed faster since the turn of the century than ever recorded, almost doubling the pace of sea-level increase and causing a 20-fold jump in heat-related deaths, the United Nations said.The decade through 2010 was the warmest for both hemispheres and for land and sea, the UN’s World Meteorological Organisation said Wednesday in an e-mailed report examining climate trends for the beginning of the millennium. Almost 94 per cent of countries logged their warmest 10 years on record, it said. Read more: www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/globe-warms-at-unprecedented-rate-wmo-report-says-20130703-2pchd.html#ixzz2YORVhVjo
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Jul 9, 2013 0:23:21 GMT
I will try again Mr. UNO. Let us assume for the sake of argument that your post is accurate and the data you cite is significant. What do you propose needs to be done to"solve" what you obviously believe to be a serious problem?
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Post by mkelter on Jul 9, 2013 3:37:40 GMT
NUMEROUNO: I gather by your quote that your bottom line is: "choke off CO2 so we can destroy businesses and one-percenters that provide fossil fuels".
If that's your point, just say so.
I'm not voting for that. Doesn't look like much temperature increase since the late seventies to me. Doesn't look like ANY temperature increase in the past 16 years. If what Svalgaard, Livingston, and Penn are saying on the other pages is anywhere near correct, I'm inclined to vote for MORE CO2. It's a damn good blanket. Since I moved to Florida, I sold all my winter coats and need all the atmospheric insulation I can get.
It comes free with every purchase of gasoline.
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Post by nonentropic on Jul 9, 2013 5:20:44 GMT
Code that is pollution, writing big fonts asserting CO2 is pollution is not persuasive outside of spin spivs'
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Post by karlox on Jul 9, 2013 15:42:10 GMT
Non- Too much of most anything is bad. Even too much belief in God or reason can be bad I believe. The former quiets the mind and the latter silences the soul. Co2 true is not an unnatural substance, nor is water, you breath both all the time. The question is how much do you wan to? As much as enough to keep an increase in middle-classes growth worlwide... Just the opposite direction US and Europe is taking... Unless both -US and Europe and Canada and Australiz, New Zealand, South Korea etc) could agree and put into practice -beyond finantial and corporations powers worlwide- that social and ecologic dumping practices are bound to be BANNED. (Hope I could express this right!)
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Post by numerouno on Jul 9, 2013 20:16:18 GMT
I will try again Mr. UNO. Let us assume for the sake of argument that your post is accurate and the data you cite is significant. What do you propose needs to be done to"solve" what you obviously believe to be a serious problem? Please do not whip yourselves into empty rage. I propose nothing that should be done. Let the free enterprise solve the situation as it comes, while I also say we have a good chance of entering a state-run emergency economics at some time. As far as I can recall, I have never issued a single polical remedy anywhere on this board. I only ask people to stop bulshitting themselves. This is not a meteorological station siting or a statistical error no longer, if it ever was. The signs of a major climatic shift for the seriously more unpredictable are everywhere.
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