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Post by sigurdur on Feb 27, 2014 6:05:50 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 27, 2014 6:15:09 GMT
I will go first.
I do not hold a formal science degree. I do have a love of knowledge. I enjoy stats, have a good background of application and interpretation.
I have enjoyed access to three journals prior to the internet. Since then. I have been able to broaden my reading and reduced the spending.
Being a farmer I understand that a small variation of a substance can produce drastic results. I have observed "experts" being wrong so many times it isn't funny.
I am an inovater. I have been the first to do things that are now common practice in my area.
I am a sticker for detail.
I am also 100% skeptic.
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Post by Ratty on Feb 28, 2014 3:46:17 GMT
I'm 110% Sig ...... about everything and I like to know things too.
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Post by magellan on Mar 1, 2014 0:20:24 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 1, 2014 1:22:12 GMT
He is 100% correct. It is the H2O vapor that DRIVES climate. Presently, even with slightly warmer temps, AH of the atmosphere does NOT seem to be increasing. Prob the main reason we have had a "pause" in warming rates.
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Post by glennkoks on Mar 1, 2014 13:35:00 GMT
I believe man is having an effect on our climate. I also believe the effect of CO2 has been overstated by many of the alarmists and can be trumped by the same drivers that have effected our climate.
I guess that makes me somewhat skeptical.
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Post by icefisher on Mar 4, 2014 8:07:46 GMT
I believe man is having an effect on our climate. I also believe the effect of CO2 has been overstated by many of the alarmists and can be trumped by the same drivers that have effected our climate. I guess that makes me somewhat skeptical. Lunatics through out history have a very poor track record of predicting doom. Modern day Luddites are probably no different. When you do not rely on science and observation for alarmism anything can be made to sound alarming. There is not one iota of legitimate science that suggests that increasing CO2 will be harmful to mankind. What we can probably expect is warmer nights and cooler days with increased CO2. Who really cares what the "average" temperature does? If average temperatures go up that will only mean nighttime lows on average have warmed more than daytime highs have cooled. Since we live in a relatively cold world (mankind evolved in the warmer places and have progressively adapted to cooler conditions as technology and knowledge has increased). All indicators are an even warmer world might be more beneficial.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 4, 2014 16:10:53 GMT
There is no question that a warmer world will be beneficial for mankind as a whole. There have always been storms, the sea level is going to rise because that is what happens during an interglacial. If it stopped, that means we are heading into another glacial period.
Looking back at previous interglacials, one has warming, rising sea levels (much higher than present ones) till the end. The tropics don't change much in temperature, but the higher latitudes sure do.
It is what it is..and when Yellowstone blows......it won't make a bit of difference what mankind has done.
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Post by douglavers on Mar 8, 2014 22:00:03 GMT
I looked at the article with interest. Occam would be turning in his grave [he probably died from having his Razor cut his throat].
The explanations, and article, seem to miss the primary point.
"Carbon dioxide is the principal driver of climate change". I think this is AGW dogma.
With all those explanations of the "pause", clearly other factors may be of major significance.
Several comments were probably [scientifically] wrong. The comment about temperature datasets not including the Arctic -I don't see how a satellite measuring temperature could exclude the Arctic in its orbit.
Also I found the comments about the Antarctic bizarre. The Antarctic has been net cooling for several decades, and to sort of argue that record Antarctic sea ice is sort of bound up with ice melting seems unlikely. On that basis, an Ice Age would be evidence of Global Warming.
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Post by nonentropic on Mar 9, 2014 4:01:06 GMT
I have been a reader of the economist for 20 years at least.
For some strange reason they lost the plot on the CAGW story and have struggled to build every arrival to support it.
My subscription is now lapsed and think they have slipped into the Scientific American mold where as with news services news is now infotainment and in their case science reporting is politically polarized with a "belief"
The money trail ha.
Very disappointing for what has been one of the best written weeklies of the last 150 years I believe.
Interestingly it is ex UK but more than 50% go to the US I'm not US based but can say from the South pacific perspective it has a world view.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 9, 2014 4:55:31 GMT
The Economist used to be an excellent news source. It is now pandering to try and remain a news source. There is a pile of money up for grabs in the "renewable" area. Most is public money. Another distribution of wealth thing.
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Post by karlox on Mar 9, 2014 9:01:31 GMT
Best most accurate sentence in the article could be this one?: "Still, attempts to explain away that stable average have not been convincing, partly because of the conflict between flat temperatures and rising CO2 emissions, and partly because observed temperatures are now falling outside the range climate models predict. The models embody the state of climate knowledge. If they are wrong, the knowledge is probably faulty, too. Hence attempts to explain the pause"
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Post by nonentropic on Mar 9, 2014 16:52:11 GMT
Yes maybe just caught between media models.
Not sure if historically media was better but its very clear there is a lot more media now. Has the good been drowned or is it absent due to the revenue changes through advertising redirection.
Blogs are still not as organized or something as the old press editorial.
I think its an issue but we need only wait because it will be different very soon.
The only big issue I see is concentration and nobody saw that coming.
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Post by graywolf on Apr 24, 2014 21:04:04 GMT
To the tune of " I've a Biggun and the red nose burglars" top Tune........ " My Mother said, That I never should, Listen to scientists, They're up to no good. Their charts and their datum I could never understand, And that's why I fell in love, With my right Hand........ I'm a Denier , I'm a Denier, And it does me good, Like it Bloody well should! I'm a Denier, I'm a Denier, And I'm always pulling my Pud............ " www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqJHoZBJYxI
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 25, 2014 1:27:28 GMT
Funny Graywolf.
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