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Post by nonentropic on Feb 27, 2018 7:37:55 GMT
There's a bit to go yet but there are a lot of moving parts.
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 27, 2018 11:02:58 GMT
How about this for a "rapid cool" process. 1 Strong anticyclone established over Europe in late winter. 2 Cyclones spin into Arctic via Barents Sea. Some cycle directly over Iceland/Greenland. 3 Air propelled into Arctic cools intensively via radiation to space, Arctic appears warmer than normal. Atlantic cools rapidly through intensive evaporation from surface. Historically quiet sun leads to less input heat, and smaller "capture" profile as atmosphere contracts. 4 Heat of evaporation not "returned" to sea because significant portion of evaporated moisture falls as snow over ice sheets in Greenland and Iceland. Heat of condensation radiates to space. Ice sheets do not melt much in summer. 5 Sea levels start to fall, ice sheets thicken, leading to growing snowfall. Earth's albedo increases, leading to more solar reflection. 6 Earth cools rapidly, LIA or worse starts. Sounds just like now, at stage 3. Excellent Commercial Possibilities too! Think "Day After Tomorrow" on long-term steroids. Must speed up process whereby large cities are consumed within the attention span of normal audience. Dish it out in regular popcorn-length episodes with appropriate commercial intervals. Maximum commercial lifetime requires an extended group of self-identifiable refugees plodding from one disaster to the next over several seasons ... or, what the hell, over several generations, as human society evolves to a high tech remnant within a generally collapsing framework. Market must be developed in relatively stable "climate core" where popcorn supplies (or generic equivalent) can be grown and delivered in a new high-tech environment.
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Post by Ratty on Feb 27, 2018 12:36:44 GMT
" Maximum commercial lifetime requires an extended group of self-identifiable refugees plodding from one disaster to the next over several seasons " You watched 24 too? This is Jack Bauer today:
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 27, 2018 13:10:27 GMT
How about this for a "rapid cool" process. 1 Strong anticyclone established over Europe in late winter. 2 Cyclones spin into Arctic via Barents Sea. Some cycle directly over Iceland/Greenland. 3 Air propelled into Arctic cools intensively via radiation to space, Arctic appears warmer than normal. Atlantic cools rapidly through intensive evaporation from surface. Historically quiet sun leads to less input heat, and smaller "capture" profile as atmosphere contracts. 4 Heat of evaporation not "returned" to sea because significant portion of evaporated moisture falls as snow over ice sheets in Greenland and Iceland. Heat of condensation radiates to space. Ice sheets do not melt much in summer. 5 Sea levels start to fall, ice sheets thicken, leading to growing snowfall. Earth's albedo increases, leading to more solar reflection. 6 Earth cools rapidly, LIA or worse starts. Sounds just like now, at stage 3. Excellent Commercial Possibilities too! Think "Day After Tomorrow" on long-term steroids. Must speed up process whereby large cities are consumed within the attention span of normal audience. Dish it out in regular popcorn-length episodes with appropriate commercial intervals. Maximum commercial lifetime requires an extended group of self-identifiable refugees plodding from one disaster to the next over several seasons ... or, what the hell, over several generations, as human society evolves to a high tech remnant within a generally collapsing framework. Market must be developed in relatively stable "climate core" where popcorn supplies (or generic equivalent) can be grown and delivered in a new high-tech environment. There have been some drops that were a lot faster than generations. There have been several cases of frozen flowers and trees under pack snow. Although the average (cough) global (cough) temperature may not vary a whole lot, the weather patterns could alter very rapidly. I note that Cape Town has run out of water for example. And what would happen if the meridonal jets get blocked and there are repeated dives of cold air from the pole down over Canada into the CONUS with similar warm spikes going North to radiate the heat to space with a Sun not providing the replacement heat at the right frequencies?
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 27, 2018 15:39:33 GMT
" Maximum commercial lifetime requires an extended group of self-identifiable refugees plodding from one disaster to the next over several seasons " You watched 24 too? This is Jack Bauer today: ? ? ?
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 27, 2018 15:43:49 GMT
Excellent Commercial Possibilities too! Think "Day After Tomorrow" on long-term steroids. Must speed up process whereby large cities are consumed within the attention span of normal audience. Dish it out in regular popcorn-length episodes with appropriate commercial intervals. Maximum commercial lifetime requires an extended group of self-identifiable refugees plodding from one disaster to the next over several seasons ... or, what the hell, over several generations, as human society evolves to a high tech remnant within a generally collapsing framework. Market must be developed in relatively stable "climate core" where popcorn supplies (or generic equivalent) can be grown and delivered in a new high-tech environment. There have been some drops that were a lot faster than generations. There have been several cases of frozen flowers and trees under pack snow. Although the average (cough) global (cough) temperature may not vary a whole lot, the weather patterns could alter very rapidly. I note that Cape Town has run out of water for example. And what would happen if the meridonal jets get blocked and there are repeated dives of cold air from the pole down over Canada into the CONUS with similar warm spikes going North to radiate the heat to space with a Sun not providing the replacement heat at the right frequencies? Big Joe Bastardi - "There's only so much cold to go around". Where it goes is I assume a different story.
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 27, 2018 17:24:40 GMT
There have been some drops that were a lot faster than generations. There have been several cases of frozen flowers and trees under pack snow. Although the average (cough) global (cough) temperature may not vary a whole lot, the weather patterns could alter very rapidly. I note that Cape Town has run out of water for example. And what would happen if the meridonal jets get blocked and there are repeated dives of cold air from the pole down over Canada into the CONUS with similar warm spikes going North to radiate the heat to space with a Sun not providing the replacement heat at the right frequencies? Big Joe Bastardi - "There's only so much cold to go around". Where it goes is I assume a different story. Exactly. So the Arctic goes 20C warmer but the midwest and East Coast goes 20C colder - that would concentrate people's minds
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Post by Ratty on Feb 27, 2018 23:41:29 GMT
" Maximum commercial lifetime requires an extended group of self-identifiable refugees plodding from one disaster to the next over several seasons " You watched 24 too? This is Jack Bauer today: ? ? ? Kiefer Sutherland = Jack Bauer in TV series "24" that went on, and on, and on, and ...... Jack is probably still chasing the bad guys.
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 28, 2018 0:42:58 GMT
Jack is like John McCain. Wherever he goes, mayhem seems to follow.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 28, 2018 7:59:49 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Dec 28, 2018 15:23:34 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 3, 2019 12:58:46 GMT
Interesting Graph
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Post by Ratty on Jan 3, 2019 13:33:33 GMT
Interesting Graph I found the website from whence it came but is the chart itself defensible?
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 3, 2019 15:06:24 GMT
Interesting Graph <<SNIP IMAGE>> I found the website from whence it came but is the chart itself defensible? You would need to check that it correctly plots the data from the reference papers - helpfully shown in the keys to the Graph itself. (Looks like Baker et al was in your neck of the woods too.)
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Post by Ratty on Jan 4, 2019 5:15:27 GMT
I found the website from whence it came but is the chart itself defensible? You would need to check that it correctly plots the data from the reference papers - helpfully shown in the keys to the Graph itself. (Looks like Baker et al was in your neck of the woods too.) Not easy but leave me to it. I've found an email address for one of the Eastern Australian people, forwarded a copy of the graph and asked a simple question. Don't wait up.
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