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Post by flearider on Jul 12, 2014 23:53:56 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 13, 2014 3:14:43 GMT
The sea ice area is still above the long term mean. Short term fluctuations don't mean much. In fact, I wish it was closer to the dog gone mean.
Even the El Nino looks like it is fizzling out. 80% chance? Uh huhhhhh. Might fit the parameters for one month, but that colder water along the Equator further west is not a convincing argument that an El Nino threshold will even materialize. The atmosphere and the AGW folks never got connected it would seem.
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Post by dontgetoutmuch on Jul 13, 2014 19:49:55 GMT
Australia is reporting record cold, perhaps the cold went there for vacation? Furthermore, record Antarctic ice levels are not on message. Perhaps an adjustment is needed.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 13, 2014 20:02:59 GMT
It would seem the cold is staying near or in Antarctica. Record June low temps, according to the French.
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Post by Ratty on Jul 13, 2014 23:54:38 GMT
Maybe I need help ..... As soon as I saw the downturn in this graph, I immediately thought algorithm change, data "massaging" and other uncomplimentary thoughts. Sorry.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 14, 2014 0:14:34 GMT
No reason to be sorry, as that is frequently the reason.
Now, if they could just get rid of that pesky divergence problem.
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Post by boxman on Jul 14, 2014 0:16:30 GMT
Maybe I need help ..... As soon as I saw the downturn in this graph, I immediately thought algorithm change, data "massaging" and other uncomplimentary thoughts. Sorry. You are not alone.. One thing for sure is that it cannot possible be melting due to warm weather or ocean temps. The only possibility i can see besides adjustments is wind patterns breaking of patches of ice.
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Post by douglavers on Jul 14, 2014 0:40:41 GMT
I can't see how bits of ice breaking off makes any difference - ice floats!! If anything, that would increase the freeze rate by exposing more freezable water.
As Ratty said, right now ice is forming at a huge rate - middle of the Antarctic winter.
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Post by douglavers on Jul 15, 2014 0:28:42 GMT
wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/If I read the graph correctly, about 500,000 sq kms of ice has suddenly melted around the Antarctic Ice Cap. Bearing in mind complete darkness, air spilling off the edge of the ice at ? -20 to -30 degC, and a sea temperature of -2 degC, that would require some interesting physics.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 15, 2014 0:33:09 GMT
wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/If I read the graph correctly, about 500,000 sq kms of ice has suddenly melted around the Antarctic Ice Cap. Bearing in mind complete darkness, air spilling off the edge of the ice at ? -20 to -30 degC, and a sea temperature of -2 degC, that would require some interesting physics. AGW physics to the rescue.
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Post by icefisher on Jul 15, 2014 2:38:20 GMT
the answer is almost certainly the winds. Since the standard for ice extent is 15% ice coverage you can theoretically put 600,000sqkm of ice extent in a 100,000sqkm area.
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Post by douglavers on Jul 15, 2014 4:51:58 GMT
Other way around icefisher!!
However, it does not change the "amount" of ice, and exposes all that nice cool water to that nice cool air........
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Post by graywolf on Jul 15, 2014 18:45:21 GMT
That 'nice cool water' is up to 4c warmer than it used to be at the melt fronts of most of the ice shelfs there courtesy of those 'nice winds'?
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 16, 2014 0:03:11 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 16, 2014 0:04:23 GMT
Code: You have to remember that the Antarctic Ice area is now so large that it has literally encroached on warmer waters outside of the normal Antarctic Gyre.
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