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Post by nonentropic on Jul 4, 2017 18:54:39 GMT
They were queuing at the prisons.
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 4, 2017 20:26:15 GMT
Just curious. I'm involved in a long-term Y-DNA project. One of my 'close' (relative term) genetic matches is an Aussie from Victoria, who can trace his lineage back to the 1200-1400 period in Lancashire and there are several others with historical links to the four counties in the same area (Lancashire to Staffordshire). This is an amazingly small area in comparison to our wide open spaces ... equivalent to about a 30-40 mile area focused on Columbia, Missouri. Seems like a lot of Virgina-North Carolina immigration came out of this general area, including my mother's mother male line. Fascinating stuff. I may yet make that connection across the pond. A lot of the phases of emigration from the British Isles were due to what would now be called 'ethnic cleansing' - this started in the 1600's with the enslavement of the Irish many of whom were taken as slaves to the East Coast settlements in the USA. Many do not realize that the first slaves (=cough= indentured servants**) were white and usually Irish. The next phase started a around 80 years later and continued until the late 1800s and that was the Highland Clearances - or just 'The Clearances'. The lairds cleared their land of tenant farmers who did not own the land, with the intention of farming sheep as in Northern England. The sheep farming didn't work but they didn't stop the lairds razing villages to the ground and driving the villagers off the land. (Go to google maps and search on 58.299959, -4.37942 . The lake is Loch Naver if you zoom in you will see what is left of the foundations of a complete village.) This is replicated over most of the Highlands. The cleared villagers went to sea - hence the Scots engineers (one even managed to get to be engineer on a Starship) and many went to Canada. The New Zealanders will never tire of telling you that the Australian immigrants were initially involuntary being transported so far away it was unlikely that they would come back. It is possible that some judges were more inclined to use that as a punishment and so clusters of originating towns and districts could be linked to the judiciary. It is an interesting area of study. My family 'lore' is that we are a mix of Irish who didn't go to the USA and Scots that didn't go to sea but ended up 'below stairs' in London with the usual accruals by marriage along the way. (**this notation did not prevent them being cross bred with African slaves who were more valuable) |
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Post by Ratty on Jul 4, 2017 22:53:23 GMT
There was an English comedian called Richard Emery; some may have noticed that - when I typed "thingy Emery" - some cleansing process here changed it to "thingy Emery" .....  |
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 4, 2017 23:06:17 GMT
well we had to many poor folk .. so we dumped them over there to get rid .. Excellent idea. Then tax them till they revolt.  |
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 4, 2017 23:08:04 GMT
They were queuing at the prisons. Poaching the king's deer again. Celts up to their old tricks.  |
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 5, 2017 2:18:45 GMT
Just curious. I'm involved in a long-term Y-DNA project. One of my 'close' (relative term) genetic matches is an Aussie from Victoria, who can trace his lineage back to the 1200-1400 period in Lancashire and there are several others with historical links to the four counties in the same area (Lancashire to Staffordshire). This is an amazingly small area in comparison to our wide open spaces ... equivalent to about a 30-40 mile area focused on Columbia, Missouri. Seems like a lot of Virgina-North Carolina immigration came out of this general area, including my mother's mother male line. Fascinating stuff. I may yet make that connection across the pond. A lot of the phases of emigration from the British Isles were due to what would now be called 'ethnic cleansing' - this started in the 1600's with the enslavement of the Irish many of whom were taken as slaves to the East Coast settlements in the USA. Many do not realize that the first slaves (=cough= indentured servants**) were white and usually Irish. The next phase started a around 80 years later and continued until the late 1800s and that was the Highland Clearances - or just 'The Clearances'. The lairds cleared their land of tenant farmers who did not own the land, with the intention of farming sheep as in Northern England. The sheep farming didn't work but they didn't stop the lairds razing villages to the ground and driving the villagers off the land. (Go to google maps and search on 58.299959, -4.37942 . The lake is Loch Naver if you zoom in you will see what is left of the foundations of a complete village.) This is replicated over most of the Highlands. The cleared villagers went to sea - hence the Scots engineers (one even managed to get to be engineer on a Starship) and many went to Canada. The New Zealanders will never tire of telling you that the Australian immigrants were initially involuntary being transported so far away it was unlikely that they would come back. It is possible that some judges were more inclined to use that as a punishment and so clusters of originating towns and districts could be linked to the judiciary. It is an interesting area of study. My family 'lore' is that we are a mix of Irish who didn't go to the USA and Scots that didn't go to sea but ended up 'below stairs' in London with the usual accruals by marriage along the way. (**this notation did not prevent them being cross bred with African slaves who were more valuable) Prior to the English Civil War. many emigres to Virginia were the 2nd and 3rd sons of wealthy or noble English families with their retainers of indentured servants, who, after their contract period were entitled to a bit of land ... if they survived. Albion's Seed is an excellent reference. With the fall of Charles I, this traffic picked up substantially. I need to reread some of the forces at play from 1660-1700 after the restoration of Charles II. This was the period of continued emigration of East Anglia Protestants (our beloved Yankees) to New England and the Quakers to Pennsylvania. This is the period that my ancestors showed up. The Elliotts (my mother's male line) owned ships and mills apparently in the Liverpool - Dublin area and set up mills west of Charlottesville. VA by the early 1700s. We don't know how our surname arrived in Virginia. His first record is in Essex VA in 1708 as a witness. He "signed" his name, which tells me he was an educated man for the time (few could read or write). He also married a woman whose father left her a manor plantation in Essex. Others of our little group that can be associated with the same area of England were, it seems, associated with ships. Our Livesey can trace a long landed estate in (where else) Livesey. Our genetic markers and snp mutations show Celt. How they were associated with the superimposed social structure of west England is unknown to me. But if you look at the genetic structure of some of the associated surnames, e,g, Newton and Hoskins, for which there are fairly large FamilyTree project files, you see an interesting mixture of haplotypes ... almost always a minority of Scandanavian (probably Normans ) and their Celtic retainers with some Germanic traces (probably Anglo Saxon) as well ... although most of the Germans were further east. The old feudal structure captured in the genetics of the surname. Most of the Scots, Scots-Irish waves settled down the spine of the Appalachians and stayed as far away from the hated English plantation overlords as they could. |
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Post by Ratty on Jul 5, 2017 7:31:10 GMT
East Anglia Protestants? I find myself wondering if they were progenitors of Michael Mann?
Join the dots .....
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 5, 2017 13:04:51 GMT
East Anglia Protestants? I find myself wondering if they were progenitors of Michael Mann? Join the dots ..... I think you hit the Mann on the head Ratty. Check his genetic underwear. Give me liberty! Give you the right to agree with me!  |
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 8, 2017 3:54:51 GMT
advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/10/e1500561.fullAbstract Climate model projections suggest widespread drying in the Mediterranean Basin and wetting in Fennoscandia in the coming decades largely as a consequence of greenhouse gas forcing of climate. To place these and other “Old World” climate projections into historical perspective based on more complete estimates of natural hydroclimatic variability, we have developed the “Old World Drought Atlas” (OWDA), a set of year-to-year maps of tree-ring reconstructed summer wetness and dryness over Europe and the Mediterranean Basin during the Common Era. The OWDA
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Post by Ratty on Jul 8, 2017 7:42:06 GMT
advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/10/e1500561.fullAbstract Climate model projections suggest widespread drying in the Mediterranean Basin and wetting in Fennoscandia in the coming decades largely as a consequence of greenhouse gas forcing of climate. To place these and other “Old World” climate projections into historical perspective based on more complete estimates of natural hydroclimatic variability, we have developed the “Old World Drought Atlas” (OWDA), a set of year-to-year maps of tree-ring reconstructed summer wetness and dryness over Europe and the Mediterranean Basin during the Common Era. The OWDA Despite the obligatory references, that is a very interesting paper. |
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Post by acidohm on Jul 29, 2017 5:24:25 GMT
Katla has gone to yellow alert.
Consistant harmonic tremors being recorded indicates magma flowing.
Katla is icelands Bardabungas angry neighbour....
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Post by Ratty on Jul 29, 2017 5:36:26 GMT
More worry .... sigh.
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Post by dontgetoutmuch on Jul 29, 2017 11:24:14 GMT
Hmmm... Not seeing much news... Do you have a link?
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Post by acidohm on Jul 29, 2017 18:36:19 GMT
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Post by acidohm on Nov 27, 2017 6:34:58 GMT
Mt Agung feared will majorly erupt imminently. Bali airport shut, ash cloud to 11,000 ft.
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