CO2 and the climate

[Ratty]

Nov 3, 2020 3:28:59 GMT walnut said:

I hope that tomorrow they at least use raw the data, and not this same sort of "quality control". I don't want my vote to be tossed as an "outlier".

www.ncdc.noaa.gov/data-access/land-based-station-data/land-based-datasets/global-historical-climatology-network-monthly-version-2

Both historical and near-real-time GHCN data undergo rigorous quality assurance reviews. These reviews include preprocessing checks on source data, time series checks that identify spurious changes in the mean and variance, spatial comparisons that verify the accuracy of the climatological mean and the seasonal cycle, and neighbor checks that identify outliers from both a serial and a spatial perspective.

I wonder how "preprocessing checks on source data" are handled?

[walnut]

Nov 3, 2020 5:14:08 GMT Ratty said:

Nov 3, 2020 3:28:59 GMT walnut said:

I hope that tomorrow they at least use raw the data, and not this same sort of "quality control". I don't want my vote to be tossed as an "outlier".

www.ncdc.noaa.gov/data-access/land-based-station-data/land-based-datasets/global-historical-climatology-network-monthly-version-2

Both historical and near-real-time GHCN data undergo rigorous quality assurance reviews. These reviews include preprocessing checks on source data, time series checks that identify spurious changes in the mean and variance, spatial comparisons that verify the accuracy of the climatological mean and the seasonal cycle, and neighbor checks that identify outliers from both a serial and a spatial perspective.

I wonder how "preprocessing checks on source data" are handled?

Incredible ambiguity and subjective-ness. These are the data sets that are often cited when they proclaim "this year was even hotter than last year, which was previously the hottest year on record" lol.

[missouriboy]

Nov 3, 2020 5:22:56 GMT walnut said:

Nov 3, 2020 5:14:08 GMT Ratty said:

I wonder how "preprocessing checks on source data" are handled?

Incredible ambiguity and subjective-ness. These are the data sets that are often cited when they proclaim "this year was even hotter than last year, which was previously the hottest year on record" lol.

Statistics put most people to sleep.  The rest you buy off.  

[sigurdur]

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/coral-reef--at-rowley-shoals-recovers-from-bleaching/12840302

[missouriboy]

Nov 6, 2020 1:34:18 GMT sigurdur said:

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/coral-reef--at-rowley-shoals-recovers-from-bleaching/12840302

The news of their demise has been greatly exaggerated.  Having millions of years of resiliency and all ... they survived.

[nonentropic]

MB those reefs are less than 10,000 years old the shoreline was 50Km out sea before the Holocene.

More importantly the sea temperature currently is low for the Holocene but warmer than the LIA.

I always ask people how old is that beach over there and they always says oh millions of years, and my comment no wrong by a factor of 100's is disturbing to most.

[Ratty]

Nov 6, 2020 3:01:33 GMT missouriboy said:

Nov 6, 2020 1:34:18 GMT sigurdur said:

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/coral-reef--at-rowley-shoals-recovers-from-bleaching/12840302

The news of their demise has been greatly exaggerated.  Having millions of years of resiliency and all ... they survived.

"We were expecting to see widespread mortality, and we just didn't see it … which is a really amazing thing," Dr Holmes said.

From that comment, Dr Holmes doesn't seem to know very much about coral, reefs or bleaching. Perhaps he was misquoted?

[missouriboy]

Nov 6, 2020 3:51:10 GMT Ratty said:

Nov 6, 2020 3:01:33 GMT missouriboy said:

The news of their demise has been greatly exaggerated.  Having millions of years of resiliency and all ... they survived.

"We were expecting to see widespread mortality, and we just didn't see it … which is a really amazing thing," Dr Holmes said.

From that comment, Dr Holmes doesn't seem to know very much about coral, reefs or bleaching. Perhaps he was misquoted?

Doesn't say how old he is.  Maybe he just swallowed the "settled science" paradigm without a question.  That's going around.  That's why they call it Piled higher & Deeper.  Sometimes the pile gets sooooooooooo high it either falls over or self-combusts.

[Ratty]

Nov 6, 2020 5:38:15 GMT missouriboy said:

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Doesn't say how old he is.  Maybe he just swallowed the "settled science" paradigm without a question.  That's going around.  That's why they call it Piled higher & Deeper.  Sometimes the pile gets sooooooooooo high it either falls over or self-combusts.

So, that's the origin of "steaming pile of ..."

[nautonnier]

This would link it to temperature and ocean outgassing (Henry's Law)

[nonentropic]

Big errors reported in CO2 graph above.

Does make it a little less than compelling.

[nautonnier]

[nautonnier]

Dec 31, 2020 2:10:36 GMT nautonnier said:

This is more fundamental than the authors realize.

If WV up means CO2 down - there can be no 'tipping point'. The old idea was that CO2 was really a bit player but it would warm the world to the level that water vapor would take over and there would be runaway warming. Can't happen.

[nautonnier]

Continuing from above:

[missouriboy]

My orchids agree.  First bloom of the season opened this morning.