Post by sigurdur on Jan 23, 2017 1:05:04 GMT
A. Schauer
January 22, 2017 at 2:04 pm
I started in atmospheric chemistry as a professional in about 1968 Dave, and I don’t agree it was local, and I also don’t agree that it wasn’t quite a bit warmer, not just once but many times in the past.
Your reference to ‘data and modeling’ is nothing more than a handwave to computer programs so ridiculed that even on finance pages’ blogs, when climategate broke and the programming of these ‘computer models’ and their ‘data’ got out, FINANCE guys in their THIRTIES were HOWLING in LAUGHTER at the thought of it being ‘complex, sophisticated algorithms’ and James Hansen’s supervisor Jorgenson regularly called Hansen’s work ‘complete scam, not even containing the proper law of thermodynamics for solving temperature in atmospheric mix.’
Atmospheric air, gas and vapors, are an independent phase of matter and Hansen claimed that *with the power of modern computing, he had discovered how to calculate temperature of compressible fluids using solely Stefan-Boltzmann and ignoring hydrostatic condition – or in other words, density.
Those ‘models’ you refer to and the data associated with them are models of crime: faked computer algorithms similarly to those of Keith Briffa; similarly to those of Michael Mann, similarly to those of Phil Jones,
found to be
fake math,
fake math,
and more
fake math,
disguised as real math,
inside computer programs.
The entire thing’s a scam. 15 top government employees in ”climate research” supervisory roles were stealing millions in grants while shouting there could be a big environmental emergency. When Al Gore’s movie came out,
we real scientists
started telling those fake scientists,
we wanted the research they signed was transparent when they took public dollars to do.
They hid everything they could.
Climategate revealed they were scamming grants and swearing to each other they’d be damned if anyone would get their hands on the very research they claimed heralded trouble for earth and we all have to heed.
We stopped and checked their bullshit and it is all fraud, all the way down to the claim of being able to solve the temperature of gases, vapors, atmospheric mix, -compressible fluids- without accounting for the hydrostatic condition.
If you understand that fine. If you don’t then here’s the upshot: there’s a REASON the hydrostatic equation part of solving temperature of the atmosphere, accounting for compressible fluid variable *density*
has a warmth contribution of exactly 33 degrees,
and the so-called ‘work’ you believe is real,
claims to be able to calculate the temperature of compressible fluids without accounting for that
33 degrees
and the FAKE Green House Effect you’ve been taught is ” ! oH ! sO ReaL! ” is ATTAINED by not
ACCOUNTING for that
33 degrees,
happens to BE
exactly,
33 degrees.
The story you are being fed about ‘models’ and ‘data’ is the story of FAKE data being written by scientists at their own whims, MUCH of the TIME: by their own admission again and again in Climategate,
and furthermore being an atmospheric chemistry and radiation specialist for many years, I personally understand every aspect, of every corner of the climate sciences, well enough to know if the people admitting to fraud are actually perpetrating it: and it is absolutely true that it is utterly impossible:
utterly impossible from first word to last,
to calculate temperature of the atmosphere properly, without treating the compressible fluid, as compressible fluid, and accounting for the hydrostatic or density aspect of compressible matter.
This is why we scientists are constantly telling beginning students of this field there is actually no Green House Effect on Venus, nor on Earth, nor on Mars, That’s three different planets to check,
and our mathematics calculate their temperatures just fine: and we don’t use, any Green House Effect, when solving for temperature of anything. Not in real scientific research, not in industry. There’s no such thing in the mathematics of atmospheric chemistry. Anyone you see claiming their is, can shortly be revealed perpetrating fraud.
Look around the real scientific internet where working scientists in other fields explain the fraud of AGW Green House Effect mathematics, and pseudo-physics. The reason so much can be so wrong with it,
is that it was all originally derived from the fake work of about 15 government employees, perpetrating mathematics/physics GRANTS SCAMS in work they never really, thought would get examined. Al Gore’s movie cracked that story wide open and we,
the real scientists of the world,
checked their bullshit. It’s fake.
To the last word. Let the man who says otherwise step forth and defend his work in public. You don’t even need to crack a book to check their stories it’s thermodynamic garbage coupled with voodoo passed as fraud to get grants money.
By the time you heard about it, the cat was out of the bag to keep the momentum rolling that it’s real while billions upon billions in dollars were made by it’s perpetrators’ political bosses, -Gore, et al – in several nations.
Al Gore was telling people they could be prosecuted for ‘denying climate change.’
No, you can’t, but Al Gore can be. And so can anyone else whose research and financial records are examined which is why there has been practically a hole torn in the sky to try to keep the scam up as long as absolutely possible because like Hillary Clinton shouted backstage at ‘The View’
“All their necks were gonna be in nooses if th(at) guy gets elected.”
It’s fake, and to the man who says it’s not, let him prove he can properly calculate the temperature of the atmosphere according to standard gas equations obedient to known laws of atmospheric, gas, and vapor chemistry and radiation.
You can’t claim to be radiating the proper energy,
when you haven’t accounted for the density of the compressible fluid in question.
And we, the real scientists of the world, are going to rub out all mention of the fakes who tried to storm the physical sciences through the ”flash mob of stupid” effect.
We don’t care how many people said it’s real. It’s not and it can be EASILY checked. Just like I just checked it for you.
End of story as far as those so-called ‘models’ passing for computer programming.
wattsupwiththat.com/2017/01/22/mainstream-media-ignores-new-study-present-sea-surface-temperatures-indistinguishable-from-those-during-last-interglacial/
January 22, 2017 at 2:04 pm
I started in atmospheric chemistry as a professional in about 1968 Dave, and I don’t agree it was local, and I also don’t agree that it wasn’t quite a bit warmer, not just once but many times in the past.
Your reference to ‘data and modeling’ is nothing more than a handwave to computer programs so ridiculed that even on finance pages’ blogs, when climategate broke and the programming of these ‘computer models’ and their ‘data’ got out, FINANCE guys in their THIRTIES were HOWLING in LAUGHTER at the thought of it being ‘complex, sophisticated algorithms’ and James Hansen’s supervisor Jorgenson regularly called Hansen’s work ‘complete scam, not even containing the proper law of thermodynamics for solving temperature in atmospheric mix.’
Atmospheric air, gas and vapors, are an independent phase of matter and Hansen claimed that *with the power of modern computing, he had discovered how to calculate temperature of compressible fluids using solely Stefan-Boltzmann and ignoring hydrostatic condition – or in other words, density.
Those ‘models’ you refer to and the data associated with them are models of crime: faked computer algorithms similarly to those of Keith Briffa; similarly to those of Michael Mann, similarly to those of Phil Jones,
found to be
fake math,
fake math,
and more
fake math,
disguised as real math,
inside computer programs.
The entire thing’s a scam. 15 top government employees in ”climate research” supervisory roles were stealing millions in grants while shouting there could be a big environmental emergency. When Al Gore’s movie came out,
we real scientists
started telling those fake scientists,
we wanted the research they signed was transparent when they took public dollars to do.
They hid everything they could.
Climategate revealed they were scamming grants and swearing to each other they’d be damned if anyone would get their hands on the very research they claimed heralded trouble for earth and we all have to heed.
We stopped and checked their bullshit and it is all fraud, all the way down to the claim of being able to solve the temperature of gases, vapors, atmospheric mix, -compressible fluids- without accounting for the hydrostatic condition.
If you understand that fine. If you don’t then here’s the upshot: there’s a REASON the hydrostatic equation part of solving temperature of the atmosphere, accounting for compressible fluid variable *density*
has a warmth contribution of exactly 33 degrees,
and the so-called ‘work’ you believe is real,
claims to be able to calculate the temperature of compressible fluids without accounting for that
33 degrees
and the FAKE Green House Effect you’ve been taught is ” ! oH ! sO ReaL! ” is ATTAINED by not
ACCOUNTING for that
33 degrees,
happens to BE
exactly,
33 degrees.
The story you are being fed about ‘models’ and ‘data’ is the story of FAKE data being written by scientists at their own whims, MUCH of the TIME: by their own admission again and again in Climategate,
and furthermore being an atmospheric chemistry and radiation specialist for many years, I personally understand every aspect, of every corner of the climate sciences, well enough to know if the people admitting to fraud are actually perpetrating it: and it is absolutely true that it is utterly impossible:
utterly impossible from first word to last,
to calculate temperature of the atmosphere properly, without treating the compressible fluid, as compressible fluid, and accounting for the hydrostatic or density aspect of compressible matter.
This is why we scientists are constantly telling beginning students of this field there is actually no Green House Effect on Venus, nor on Earth, nor on Mars, That’s three different planets to check,
and our mathematics calculate their temperatures just fine: and we don’t use, any Green House Effect, when solving for temperature of anything. Not in real scientific research, not in industry. There’s no such thing in the mathematics of atmospheric chemistry. Anyone you see claiming their is, can shortly be revealed perpetrating fraud.
Look around the real scientific internet where working scientists in other fields explain the fraud of AGW Green House Effect mathematics, and pseudo-physics. The reason so much can be so wrong with it,
is that it was all originally derived from the fake work of about 15 government employees, perpetrating mathematics/physics GRANTS SCAMS in work they never really, thought would get examined. Al Gore’s movie cracked that story wide open and we,
the real scientists of the world,
checked their bullshit. It’s fake.
To the last word. Let the man who says otherwise step forth and defend his work in public. You don’t even need to crack a book to check their stories it’s thermodynamic garbage coupled with voodoo passed as fraud to get grants money.
By the time you heard about it, the cat was out of the bag to keep the momentum rolling that it’s real while billions upon billions in dollars were made by it’s perpetrators’ political bosses, -Gore, et al – in several nations.
Al Gore was telling people they could be prosecuted for ‘denying climate change.’
No, you can’t, but Al Gore can be. And so can anyone else whose research and financial records are examined which is why there has been practically a hole torn in the sky to try to keep the scam up as long as absolutely possible because like Hillary Clinton shouted backstage at ‘The View’
“All their necks were gonna be in nooses if th(at) guy gets elected.”
It’s fake, and to the man who says it’s not, let him prove he can properly calculate the temperature of the atmosphere according to standard gas equations obedient to known laws of atmospheric, gas, and vapor chemistry and radiation.
You can’t claim to be radiating the proper energy,
when you haven’t accounted for the density of the compressible fluid in question.
And we, the real scientists of the world, are going to rub out all mention of the fakes who tried to storm the physical sciences through the ”flash mob of stupid” effect.
We don’t care how many people said it’s real. It’s not and it can be EASILY checked. Just like I just checked it for you.
End of story as far as those so-called ‘models’ passing for computer programming.
wattsupwiththat.com/2017/01/22/mainstream-media-ignores-new-study-present-sea-surface-temperatures-indistinguishable-from-those-during-last-interglacial/