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Post by sigurdur on Aug 12, 2009 2:23:19 GMT
Ok, NOAA released this today, now I KNOW this is just the US, one month, but I'm still surprised! 10 states above average, 3 average, and 35 states below average including 6 with century-low records! www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/images/07statewidetrank.pngAlso, I just noticed where Radiant had the Jan-Feb-March data missing in his reply to my post about # of cold records set this year. Seems to me, from grade school studies, that a year includes all the months from January to December. An excellent example of playing the numbers game to suit the hoped for result. Then again it could have just been a honest error, no insult intended Radiant. As a newbie here I'm not looking to get off on the wrong foot with anyone. If Radiant had included those months, the total would have been much higher as there were many new cold records set this winter in a very large area of the US.
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Post by radiant on Aug 12, 2009 7:40:22 GMT
Ok, NOAA released this today, now I KNOW this is just the US, one month, but I'm still surprised! 10 states above average, 3 average, and 35 states below average including 6 with century-low records! www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/images/07statewidetrank.pngAlso, I just noticed where Radiant had the Jan-Feb-March data missing in his reply to my post about # of cold records set this year. Seems to me, from grade school studies, that a year includes all the months from January to December. An excellent example of playing the numbers game to suit the hoped for result. Then again it could have just been a honest error, no insult intended Radiant. As a newbie here I'm not looking to get off on the wrong foot with anyone. There was no error and no dishonesty. I took the trouble to answer your enquiry about a data source for warming by going thru the data one by one from july which had the coolest data until i had shown that for the 4 months i produced the records for it clearly showed it was warmer for those 4 months from that data so that you could see there was an evidential case for people saying it is warm . If you want to take the trouble to do the other months you can do so. I provided also the links for you to enable you to do it. July was clearly exceptionally cold and August shows a similar trend so far with 195 colds to 110 hots as of yesterday. The high arctic temperatures appear to follow this trend also where temps when it was cold and intensely freezing were majorly higher than normal but then it was not very much above freezing in summer. ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.phpIf Radiant had included those months, the total would have been much higher as there were many new cold records set this winter in a very large area of the US. Sigurdur Using the data source i was using you will find many more hottest records than coldest records. Coldest: January 447 February 258 March 582 Hottest: January 889 February 1091 March 1209
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Post by dopeydog on Aug 12, 2009 12:01:57 GMT
July's AMO is up to .283.
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Post by Ole Doc Sief on Aug 31, 2009 4:33:07 GMT
From todays news at KSTP.com kstp.com/news/stories/S1112751.shtml?cat=206Parts of northeastern Minnesota and western Wisconsin are under a late summer frost warning.. The National Weather Service is warning that a cold ridge of high pressure will settle over the border from Sunday night to Monday morning. The weather service says that will create perfect conditions for a quick drop in the temperature into the mid-30s, and possibly below freezing in spots. The frost warning is set to expire at 7 a.m. Monday. It comes during an unseasonable cold snap in the area. The cold weather is a concern for Minnesota farmers and their crops. "It's the fourth coldest summer in history," said Ron Kelsey, Superintendent of Farm Crops at the State Fair. He said it has taken a toll on the growing season. "We're about two and a half weeks behind where we should be," said Kelsey. He said an early freeze could have a devestating effect on corn and soybeans. Five years ago farmers were in a similar situation but a warm September saved the crops. Kelsy hopes Mother Nature gives a repeat performance. "We are keeping our fingers crossed for a warm September and also frost free days," said Kelsey. As for rainfall this summer, Kelsey said it's been hit and miss. Certain parts of the state are fine and other could really use it. ---The Assoicated Press Contributed to this Report Hmmm, I seem to remember being called an alarmist the last time I wrote about this. I guess we'll just have to wait till end of September if we have a late growing season rescue like we did in 2004???
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Post by poitsplace on Aug 31, 2009 15:21:58 GMT
From todays news at KSTP.com kstp.com/news/stories/S1112751.shtml?cat=206Parts of northeastern Minnesota and western Wisconsin are under a late summer frost warning.. The National Weather Service is warning that a cold ridge of high pressure will settle over the border from Sunday night to Monday morning. The weather service says that will create perfect conditions for a quick drop in the temperature into the mid-30s, and possibly below freezing in spots. The frost warning is set to expire at 7 a.m. Monday. It comes during an unseasonable cold snap in the area. The cold weather is a concern for Minnesota farmers and their crops. "It's the fourth coldest summer in history," said Ron Kelsey, Superintendent of Farm Crops at the State Fair. He said it has taken a toll on the growing season. "We're about two and a half weeks behind where we should be," said Kelsey. He said an early freeze could have a devestating effect on corn and soybeans. Five years ago farmers were in a similar situation but a warm September saved the crops. Kelsy hopes Mother Nature gives a repeat performance. "We are keeping our fingers crossed for a warm September and also frost free days," said Kelsey. As for rainfall this summer, Kelsey said it's been hit and miss. Certain parts of the state are fine and other could really use it. ---The Assoicated Press Contributed to this Report Hmmm, I seem to remember being called an alarmist the last time I wrote about this. I guess we'll just have to wait till end of September if we have a late growing season rescue like we did in 2004??? I've been increasingly concerned about the crops after the late start to summer in the midwest. Last year there were lots of people freaking out over the price of food and blaming the push for biofuels (which was partly to blame) but its likely the solar minimum had a hand in it as well. Now not only do we have the solar minimum to contend with, we've also had an extremely late start and a potential for an abrupt end to this year's growing season. At least if it is an issue it will drive home the point of just how bad cold weather is compared to the death and destruction they're foolishly claiming for the slightest rise in temperatures.
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Post by woodstove on Aug 31, 2009 16:56:06 GMT
The apparent early freeze-up in the Arctic would not appear to make a warm September in the Upper Tier very likely, though it could still happen. Time will tell.
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Post by radiant on Aug 31, 2009 20:43:23 GMT
Hmmm, I seem to remember being called an alarmist the last time I wrote about this. I guess we'll just have to wait till end of September if we have a late growing season rescue like we did in 2004??? i was teasing when i said: I am guessing you guys are ALARMISTS! or agricultural commodities traders ;D A few days is not going to make any difference and a few frosts in a few valleys also not much difference. Probably we are talking about a difference in yield rather than an economic and humanitarian disaster? And it seems you are going to have quite a bit of frost to avoid a bumper harvest As of 31st August: www.smallgrains.org/article.aspx?id=8461 No frost over the weekend in the Corn Belt and none forecast the next two weeks also had corn down in the overnight session. However cool temps are slowing the bumper crops maturity.And i notice that when mr Kelsey was interviewed at the Minnesota fair the background was row upon row of corn cobs And he was also talking about the 10 ear wheat contest, for which you need ten ears of wheat per entrant But the media certainly seem to be spreading alarmist stories about cooling! ;D Check out the video! kstp.com/news/stories/s1112751.shtmlMeanwhile it gets confusing when you check the weather forcasters comments for Tuesday If you haven’t made it to the Fair just yet, don’t worry; you still have time to enjoy Minnesota’s finest late summer weather! Temperatures will stay in the upper 70s the rest of the week,
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Post by magellan on Sept 1, 2009 1:21:56 GMT
From todays news at KSTP.com kstp.com/news/stories/S1112751.shtml?cat=206Parts of northeastern Minnesota and western Wisconsin are under a late summer frost warning.. The National Weather Service is warning that a cold ridge of high pressure will settle over the border from Sunday night to Monday morning. The weather service says that will create perfect conditions for a quick drop in the temperature into the mid-30s, and possibly below freezing in spots. The frost warning is set to expire at 7 a.m. Monday. It comes during an unseasonable cold snap in the area. The cold weather is a concern for Minnesota farmers and their crops. "It's the fourth coldest summer in history," said Ron Kelsey, Superintendent of Farm Crops at the State Fair. He said it has taken a toll on the growing season. "We're about two and a half weeks behind where we should be," said Kelsey. He said an early freeze could have a devestating effect on corn and soybeans. Five years ago farmers were in a similar situation but a warm September saved the crops. Kelsy hopes Mother Nature gives a repeat performance. "We are keeping our fingers crossed for a warm September and also frost free days," said Kelsey. As for rainfall this summer, Kelsey said it's been hit and miss. Certain parts of the state are fine and other could really use it. ---The Assoicated Press Contributed to this Report Hmmm, I seem to remember being called an alarmist the last time I wrote about this. I guess we'll just have to wait till end of September if we have a late growing season rescue like we did in 2004??? Ole Doc, We in Michigan are slated for frost (and record lows) tonight and tomorrow night before returning to warmer days by the weekend, albeit still below 'normal'. We used the A/C maybe ten days all year. I swear I'll never complain about summer heat again! Our corn is not so bad as some other places, but the further north, the worse it gets.
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Post by radiant on Sept 1, 2009 20:39:24 GMT
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Post by Purinoli on Sept 4, 2009 6:43:30 GMT
Ole Doc,
We in Michigan are slated for frost (and record lows) tonight and tomorrow night before returning to warmer days by the weekend, albeit still below 'normal'. We used the A/C maybe ten days all year. I swear I'll never complain about summer heat again!
Our corn is not so bad as some other places, but the further north, the worse it gets. --------------
In Slovenia weather forecast for tonight is : snowing around 1,700 m altitude. Although this is for Alpine region ( Julian Alps) it is anyway unusual for this time. It is just about 100 km from Adriatic sea and this period ( September) is traditionaly the best time for visiting mountains for hikers.
Hope so we'll not face early and tough winter. Regards from central Europe [/quote]
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Post by jeroen on Sept 7, 2009 0:06:05 GMT
Temperatures around normal in western europe. North sea is slowly showing falling temps. Still above normal. Note tha high pressure areas are easely sliding over west an north europe causing the wind blowing from the land. If this continous the winter will be cold an dry.
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Post by saluki on Sept 10, 2009 2:27:10 GMT
"We used the A/C maybe ten days all year. "
Similar situation in Colorado. What makes it even stranger is that we have had a good El Nino going for a few months.
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Post by Ole Doc Sief on Sept 12, 2009 4:04:39 GMT
Our temps did rebound into the 70's to low 80's but our night lows continue their trend into the 50's. No we would not be talking about a humanitarian nightmare but drop in yields. The problem is the commodities exchange is VERY twitchy. Bad news makes corn futures climb, thereby raising prices to consumers. Also many states in the corn belt are mandating more ethanol production and the Cellulistic plants are not working as well as hoped. You can't pipe ethanol in regular oil lines, so it has to be locally made and trucked to destinations. Poor cellulistic ethanol production means more corn used. Poor yields means higher prices when NONE of us can afford it. Minnesota currently taxes the thingyens out of us, and its economy is in shambles with little false hope blips. Every little spike in prices just drives us further down. Nationally corn production will be at record levels but regionally our yield in Upper North Central will not match what we did in earlier years.
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Post by N9AAT on Sept 13, 2009 2:29:20 GMT
From Southern Indiana, Sorry, folks. We've been in the cat-bird seat all summer. ;D One of the nicest, mildest summer's I've seen in my 55 years. NO 90-degree days in July, two in August. During the first week in September two telco guys and I were at a remote VOR site with the doors open and wishing we had worn our long-sleeved shirts. I'm one of those people who IS, however, somewhat afraid. I'm afraid because I think global cooling IS coming. I HOPE for global warming. I WISH we had global warming. The problem today is the fear merchants who say it's all man's fault and that only we can fix things. These activists keep us from looking directly into the scientific evidence of either warming or cooling. It's like trying to discuss religious freedom in the days of the Inquisition. I'm thinking this has all turned into a huge global scam that has more to do with carbon trading markets than truth. This whole house-of-cards RELIES on the public's FEAR that WE are causing global warming. Money and politics share as the co-roots of all evil. When the LIA started in western North America, it was the death knoll for the Anastazi culture. I fear that water will become much more of a problem for the Southwest. More than that, periods of long-term global cooling seem to always cause growing season irregularities. We are not looking into these things, we are not preparing, and someday it will catch up to us with a vengeance.
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 13, 2009 2:42:53 GMT
From Southern Indiana, Sorry, folks. We've been in the cat-bird seat all summer. ;D One of the nicest, mildest summer's I've seen in my 55 years. NO 90-degree days in July, two in August. During the first week in September two telco guys and I were at a remote VOR site with the doors open and wishing we had worn our long-sleeved shirts. I'm one of those people who IS, however, somewhat afraid. I'm afraid because I think global cooling IS coming. I HOPE for global warming. I WISH we had global warming. The problem today is the fear merchants who say it's all man's fault and that only we can fix things. These activists keep us from looking directly into the scientific evidence of either warming or cooling. It's like trying to discuss religious freedom in the days of the Inquisition. I'm thinking this has all turned into a huge global scam that has more to do with carbon trading markets than truth. This whole house-of-cards RELIES on the public's FEAR that WE are causing global warming. Money and politics share as the co-roots of all evil. When the LIA started in western North America, it was the death knoll for the Anastazi culture. I fear that water will become much more of a problem for the Southwest. More than that, periods of long-term global cooling seem to always cause growing season irregularities. We are not looking into these things, we are not preparing, and someday it will catch up to us with a vengeance. I have been writing my Senators and Rep that we need to bring back Long Term Grain Reserves as the cooling will cause massive flucuations in Ag Production. Even encouraged them to put it in the stimulus bill. The response was there wasn't a threat of cooling. All I know is.......I hope the trend reverses very quicly or there WILL be a lot of people unable to buy food because it won't be there.
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