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Post by sigurdur on Jun 26, 2011 3:39:20 GMT
Sorry magellan:
I hadn't gotten down to your post asking thermostat for emperical evidence of his claim.
I know he will come through for us as we all want to learn. That is the great thing about this forum is we are all open minded to emperical facts.
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Post by thermostat on Jun 26, 2011 3:45:40 GMT
Thermostat: Source please about increased water vapor. And modeled increases don't cut it. I have looked at the actual data and so far......doesn't seem to match the models. Maybe you know something that I don't....as that would be hard to do...so I look forward to your sources for that statement. Hehe.... Okay, we are back to Physics 101. (for those who ever got this far). The question is, how does increasing atmospheric temperature increase the concentration of water in the atmosphere? (Hehe?) This is basic physics. A warmer atmosphere holds more water. |
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Post by hairball on Jun 26, 2011 3:50:41 GMT
Q. Source please about increased water vapor.
A. This is basic physics. A warmer atmosphere holds more water.
Jesus wept.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 26, 2011 3:51:17 GMT
Thermostat:
Maybe..and maybe not. Even within a weather system there is a huge varience in water vapor......RH...
The actual measurements that I have seen does not show an increase in water vapor.
Do you have a source to show that I am wrong?
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Post by thermostat on Jun 26, 2011 4:01:01 GMT
Thermostat: Maybe..and maybe not. Even within a weather system there is a huge varience in water vapor......RH... The actual measurements that I have seen does not show an increase in water vapor. Do you have a source to show that I am wrong? sigurdur, Most curious, do you have a source that says that increasing global temperature will not increase atmospheric water concentration? |
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 26, 2011 4:24:39 GMT
Thermostat: Maybe..and maybe not. Even within a weather system there is a huge varience in water vapor......RH... The actual measurements that I have seen does not show an increase in water vapor. Do you have a source to show that I am wrong? sigurdur, Most curious, do you have a source that says that increasing global temperature will not increase atmospheric water concentration? Thermostat: I am waiting for your source of emperical RH readings that show that there has been an actual increase in water vapor. Not to be nit picky.....but I asked 2nd....after Magellan. Show me your cards...and I will then present mine. |
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 26, 2011 4:25:15 GMT
And I do have sources as this is a keen area of interest to me.
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Post by magellan on Jun 26, 2011 4:25:53 GMT
sigurdur, Most curious, do you have a source that says that increasing global temperature will not increase atmospheric water concentration? Thermostat: I am waiting for your source of emperical RH readings that show that there has been an actual increase in water vapor. Not to be nit picky.....but I asked 2nd....after Magellan. Show me your cards...and I will then present mine. Having fun yet sig? |
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Post by thermostat on Jun 26, 2011 4:31:02 GMT
Thermostat: I am waiting for your source of emperical RH readings that show that there has been an actual increase in water vapor. Not to be nit picky.....but I asked 2nd....after Magellan. Show me your cards...and I will then present mine. Having fun yet sig? Sigurdur, In case you haven't caught on, Magellan always demands someone else provide the informaion. |
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 26, 2011 4:31:03 GMT
Thermostat: I am waiting for your source of emperical RH readings that show that there has been an actual increase in water vapor. Not to be nit picky.....but I asked 2nd....after Magellan. Show me your cards...and I will then present mine. Having fun yet sig? I have every confidence that Thermostat will show us his sources. I know that phsysics 101 shows warmer air holds more water.....but then......the deserts are hot and there isn't much water in the air over them. That is one of the reasons they cool off so fast at night. Also, seems that according to a study in Arizona/New Mexico that IR radiation escapes upwards at an accelerated rate....I know...co2 is suppose to stop that but for some reason in the American Soutwest....it isn't co-operating. With that aside, I will wait for thermostats data. I may be missing something and am anxious to learn. |
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Post by thermostat on Jun 26, 2011 4:33:30 GMT
I have every confidence that Thermostat will show us his sources. I know that phsysics 101 shows warmer air holds more water.....but then......the deserts are hot and there isn't much water in the air over them. That is one of the reasons they cool off so fast at night. Also, seems that according to a study in Arizona/New Mexico that IR radiation escapes upwards at an accelerated rate....I know...co2 is suppose to stop that but for some reason in the American Soutwest....it isn't co-operating. With that aside, I will wait for thermostats data. I may be missing something and am anxious to learn. okay, fair enough. |
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 26, 2011 4:46:34 GMT
While waiting, I think that we should dwell into physics 101 a bit.
Realative humidity/absolute humidity depends on more than temperature. Pressure is actually more important than temperature in a climate sense.
To give a real world example of this....one never puts a rh gauge in a spud house in the pressure room. (We circulate air in spuds houses). IF you do, you will get a false low reading because of the isobar increase in pressure and can have a serious problem with drip from a roof/wall etc. You always put the the humidistat on top of the pile or in a work area so that the pressure does not affect the reading.
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Post by thermostat on Jun 26, 2011 4:46:54 GMT
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Post by scpg02 on Jun 26, 2011 5:17:48 GMT
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Post by thermostat on Jun 26, 2011 5:22:15 GMT
I'll see your citation and raise you a citation. Timo Niroma: One possible explanation for the cyclicity in the Sun. Sunspot cycles and supercycles and their tentative causes. personal.inet.fi/tiede/tilmari/sunspots.htmlTimo Niroma: Sunspots: The Gleissberg cycle. www.kolumbus.fi/tilmari/gleissb.htmedit: ooops forgot the smilie. Won't have substance without the smilie. quote] spcg, fascinating. Has any of this been published? |
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