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Post by hunter on May 5, 2010 15:27:36 GMT
Hunter bought CO2 emission scam certificates at the Al Gore state Auction for $5 a ton. He plans to sell it back at the ficticious market value of $22 a ton. So Science 101, Physics 101 and Chemistry 101 dont matter to him. Even if God himself shows up and tell us all it is a scam, he will still percist Parasite, go work to create real assets you Bum! Looks like hunter's status as a double-agent on the side of the UN conspiracy has been uncovered. Dagnabit! I hate getting found out! And by a newbie! This may cost me my money from both big oil and big Al!
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Post by goldbuster1 on May 5, 2010 17:27:09 GMT
CO2 Density : 1.87 kg-m3 Gravity versus air 1.5 H2O Density : 0.75 kg-m3 (vapour) Gravity versus air 0.62 Air Density : 1.2 kg-m3 Gravity 1 Humid air will rise quicker than dry air CO2 is too heavy to be rising in the atmosphere Conclusion : CO2 capture will only benefits the Oil and Gas industry PS: They are already using CO2 injection to extract Oil, they will get some credit to trade at $22 a ton... Anything to had to this trolls?
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Post by hunter on May 5, 2010 17:46:27 GMT
CO2 Density : 1.87 kg-m3 Gravity versus air 1.5 H2O Density : 0.75 kg-m3 (vapour) Gravity versus air 0.62 Air Density : 1.2 kg-m3 Gravity 1 Humid air will rise quicker than dry air CO2 is too heavy to be rising in the atmosphere Conclusion : CO2 capture will only benefits the Oil and Gas industry PS: They are already using CO2 injection to extract Oil, they will get some credit to trade at $22 a ton... Anything to had to this trolls? No, your eloquence reasoning and evidence speaks for itself. Mankind can ignore the chemical samples of the atmosphere, the experiments, the data. You have spoken. It is settled.
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Post by goldbuster1 on May 5, 2010 19:58:55 GMT
It is a cult, a sort of religion, where facts, physics and chemistry dont apply.
CO2 is a deadly poison and thats it, all reasoning against it will be ignored.
Regardless if CO2 mass is too heavy and its density and gravity are 1.5 times Air
Thats pure Heresy
When are you gonna burned Physics and chemistry books?
They will fudge Data, Destroy evidences, bear false witness and defame the real scientists
The true believer, when confronted with the failure of their belief of choice, even if the failure includes fraud, often engages in what is called 'true believer syndrome'. This is where the sufferer engages in a rationalization process to ignore the proven truths and stick to what they believe.
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Post by glc on May 5, 2010 22:51:45 GMT
It is a cult, a sort of religion, where facts, physics and chemistry dont apply. CO2 is a deadly poison and thats it, all reasoning against it will be ignored. Regardless if CO2 mass is too heavy and its density and gravity are 1.5 times Air Thats pure Heresy When are you gonna burned Physics and chemistry books? They will fudge Data, Destroy evidences, bear false witness and defame the real scientists The true believer, when confronted with the failure of their belief of choice, even if the failure includes fraud, often engages in what is called 'true believer syndrome'. This is where the sufferer engages in a rationalization process to ignore the proven truths and stick to what they believe. Look at this plot of earth's mission spectrum. Note the funnel centred on 15 micron. This is the CO2 absorption band. The plot shows the emission of radiation and indicates clearly that CO2 is present at all altitudes throughout the troposphere.
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Post by icefisher on May 6, 2010 3:34:49 GMT
Look at this plot of earth's mission spectrum. Note the funnel centred on 15 micron. This is the CO2 absorption band. The plot shows the emission of radiation and indicates clearly that CO2 is present at all altitudes throughout the troposphere. Actually its just some bird doo doo on the IR camera lens picked up during launch.
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Post by hunter on May 6, 2010 4:29:55 GMT
goldbuster1 is a moby.
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Post by solarguy on May 6, 2010 19:25:12 GMT
I really can't believe this is going to be my first post on this site.
What about access to water, good soil and temperature? Could those be reasons why there are no trees above a certain altitude in a given region? I liked your reasoning at first but then I thought about it and made a few inquires on the net and came up with a few other reasons other than lack of CO2 at altitude that might make the trees disappear.
Love this site, have learned a lot in the past 2-3 years since I have been lurking here.
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Post by hunter on May 6, 2010 19:37:54 GMT
I really can't believe this is going to be my first post on this site. What about access to water, good soil and temperature? Could those be reasons why there are no trees above a certain altitude in a given region? I liked your reasoning at first but then I thought about it and made a few inquires on the net and came up with a few other reasons other than lack of CO2 at altitude that might make the trees disappear. Love this site, have learned a lot in the past 2-3 years since I have been lurking here. The person who started this topic was trying to make a bit of theater. CO2 is well mixed in the atmosphere. AGW fails not because of anything our friend goldblaster1 has written.
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Post by goldbuster1 on May 7, 2010 13:34:58 GMT
The person who started this topic was trying to make a bit of theater. CO2 is well mixed in the atmosphere. CO2 is well mixed in the atmosphere? When its 1.5 the gravity of air!!! The only thing that will make CO2 rise a few meters is denser colder CO2 Any base in real science to trow this kind of nonsense here? Poor hunter he is suffering more and more of TheRealBeliever syndrome PS: By the way for the clown who said that ist not CO2 (food) but good soil that is lacking at moderate altitude for the disappearance of plants let me answer this: Good soil = dead plants No CO2 = no plants No plants = no soil Bio 101
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Post by hunter on May 7, 2010 15:07:05 GMT
The person who started this topic was trying to make a bit of theater. CO2 is well mixed in the atmosphere. CO2 is well mixed in the atmosphere? When its 1.5 the gravity of air!!! The only thing that will make CO2 rise a few meters is denser colder CO2 Any base in real science to trow this kind of nonsense here? Poor hunter he is suffering more and more of TheRealBeliever syndrome PS: By the way for the clown who said that ist not CO2 (food) but good soil that is lacking at moderate altitude for the disappearance of plants let me answer this: Good soil = dead plants No CO2 = no plants No plants = no soil Bio 101 Boring.
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Post by goldbuster1 on May 9, 2010 13:02:20 GMT
The person who started this topic was trying to make a bit of theater. CO2 is well mixed in the atmosphere. CO2 is well mixed in the atmosphere? When its 1.5 the gravity of air!!! The only thing that will make CO2 rise a few meters is denser colder CO2 Any base in real science to trow this kind of nonsense here? Poor hunter he is suffering more and more of TheRealBeliever syndrome PS: By the way for the clown who said that ist not CO2 (food) but good soil that is lacking at moderate altitude for the disappearance of plants let me answer this: Good soil = dead plants No CO2 = no plants No plants = no soil Bio 101 CO2 well mixed in the atmosphere at 44.01 g/mol and 1.5 air gravity ... What about SMOG? Its mostly SO2 64.06 g/mol and 2.262 air gravity Does SMOG mix up well in the atmosphere? Clowns
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Post by nautonnier on May 10, 2010 0:41:55 GMT
nautonnier said: goldbuster1, I wouldn't listen to nautonnier. He insults everyone who is cleverer than himself. Of course the laws of physics are the same in the "real world" and in the laboratory. No need to reply nautonnier. Just a demonstration of how misrepresenting people's arguments is irritating and distracting. Steve Get a bell jar ( you will know what they are due to your total grasp of all things scientific ) with normal air inside it then add some CO 2 then leave it undisturbed for a few hours. If you use an infrared source you will find that the CO 2 has indeed settled in just the way our troll suggests. This is well known amongst submariners as true. However, now go into the real world and unless you are in a special situation such as in an inversion or in a deep valley and with little or no wind - then CO 2 will actually mix with the air - due to the presence of that extremely rare event in the laboratory - WIND - which is somewhat ubiquitous in the real world; wind which is there because of convection. And lo and behold it is NOT like the laboratory as you do not have control of all the variables. You may have the brain the size of a planet Steve but like most mathematicians you have yet to learn how the real world works. For an example of when CO 2 DID stay low to the ground thanks to almost no wind turbulence and a deep valley leading to the death of many people then you have to go to Cameroon in August 1986 and Lake Nyos pagesperso-orange.fr/mhalb/nyos/nyos.htmLuckily, these are rare events as the real world does not behave like the laboratory very often thanks to convection.
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Post by goldbuster1 on May 11, 2010 1:04:28 GMT
Nautonnier, what "magical" physical properties of CO2 will make it mix with air and absent from wind?
Shake your bottle experiment, or create all kind of heat-humidity and pressure exchanges and CO2 Gravity will still be 1.5xAir
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Post by steve on May 11, 2010 12:23:14 GMT
nautonnier,
The speed of air molecules is measured in hundreds of metres per second. This does not mean that they can travel from the bottom of a bell jar to the top of a bell jar in the blink of an eye as they collide with other molecules many times per microsecond so the average distance per second travelled is quite sedate.
But given that the force of gravity is a mere 9.8 m/s^2, gravity will have almost no impact on the distribution of air in a bell jar at standard temperature and pressure.
I refer you back to the experiment where bromine (molecular weight 70 IIRC) is introduced into the bottom of a bell jar, and successfully diffuses in time. You don't need IR for bromine as it is brown.
This is different from a scenario where large amounts of a dense gas are introduced at ground level in a valley. Assuming that the weather is stable, the dense gas will take considerable time to diffuse through the bulk of the air (a valley is bigger than a bell jar). Long enought to suffocate the unfortunate inhabitants.
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