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Post by sigurdur on Jun 12, 2010 21:17:17 GMT
You understand it totally Stranger. Being you were on Hwy 5, not sure if you went through Langdon, but just to the south of there is a 160 meg turbine farm. I am just east of there and in at least an area 4 wind pattern. The advancements in turbine teck with a single use function will provide inexpensive power as it doesn't have to be at 100% peak to do the electrolysis. From plans most of the plant would be electronically monitored and require very little labor. I know it upsets Touko that something like this can be done, but it can be and I fully expect it to happen within 10 years. The price of nh3 spiked a year ago to over 1,000 a ton...presently it is at 525.00 At around 625 this becomes feasable. As a co-op venture there is capital to be had to built it. Exciteing times....and the times demand cost control and this is one way of doing so.
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Post by touko on Jun 12, 2010 21:35:16 GMT
I know it upsets Touko that something like this can be done, but it can be and I fully expect it to happen within 10 years.
Sure this can be done, but will it ever be profitable in small scale? I doubt it. The U.S. is an economy based on the ruthless economics of scale. Ten years would have brought about a whole new game on the market.
And then there's phosphate ....
Touko
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 13, 2010 0:20:18 GMT
phosphate is a finite resource and has to be mined. There is no way to "make" that so all farmers will be at the mercy of the few producers of that. Same goes for potash.
You are missing that a co-op would use economies of scale for nh3 production. There are times when smaller is more efficient, and it applies in this case as there are no transportation costs incurred.
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Post by matt on Jun 13, 2010 0:41:45 GMT
As far as I know, there is no known practical process to convert electricity directly to hydrogen electrolysis springs to mind.
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Post by touko on Jun 13, 2010 3:42:58 GMT
You are missing that a co-op would use economies of scale for nh3 production. There are times when smaller is more efficient, and it applies in this case as there are no transportation costs incurred.
Let's say I'm sceptical. Bulk chemical products are more economically produced in large facilities, you just can't beat the economies of scale. Considering there's not a single installation operating and producing fertilizers (afaik) yet, I don't think the owners of the conventional Haber process plants are worried too much. Touko
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Post by touko on Jun 13, 2010 12:32:55 GMT
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Post by trbixler on Jun 13, 2010 14:44:31 GMT
It is unfortunate that this girl's father believes accolades make reality. Kind of like the IPCC and Gore, but on the other side.
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Post by touko on Jun 13, 2010 15:26:20 GMT
This person is apparently a delusional personality. Here's how he describes his musical act: Having received some pre-Grammy nomination buzz from some members of NARAS for his last project, It’s All About A Girl, Castillo has some big shoes to fill after its success. After charting his first #1 with Surviving Emily and having hit several Top 10 charts here and throughout Europe, the Netherlands and Australia with ‘Emily’, Goin’ To San Antone, Cantinero Cantinero, and Don’t Talk About Her, the success of this next project could establish J.R. and Unwound among the upper echelon of Country recording artists from Texas. (my emph.) webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_TXOAqI05bwJ:www.jrcastillo.com/bio_2006Touko
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