I guess you did not get the memo. The question here has been regarding a credible scientific reference from the scientific literature to support the assertion that the Arctic Sea Ice reached a minimal extent comparable to 2012 at some point since the Holocene Thermal Maximum. Simply asserting that this is a fact not an adequate argument. No forum member has been able to provide credible scientific support for this assertion.
We already gave it to you. If someone else wants to waste their time posting it again they can.
Nobody can give precise ice extent for any period previous to CWP. If you can't understand why that is the case, you have no business reading any literature beyond Dr. Seuss level.
Magellan,
Very funny. I see that you agree. There is no evidence, thus, no reference. It does not exist. We agree.
Waiting for the evidence that the Arctic Sea Ice Minimum reached similar levels between the Holocene Thermal Maximum and 2012 is like waiting for Godot.
Waiting for the evidence that the Arctic Sea Ice Minimum reached similar levels between the Holocene Thermal Maximum and 2012 is like waiting for Godot.
Why don't you just save everyone a lot of time and show us the rock-solid, peer-reviewed paper proving that similar Arctic Ice minimums were NOT reached since the Holocene Thermal Maximum?
We're a patient bunch. We eagerly await your link to a real scientific paper. Or a blog, whatever you prefer...
Waiting for the evidence that the Arctic Sea Ice Minimum reached similar levels between the Holocene Thermal Maximum and 2012 is like waiting for Godot.
Why don't you just save everyone a lot of time and show us the rock-solid, peer-reviewed paper proving that similar Arctic Ice minimums were NOT reached since the Holocene Thermal Maximum?
We're a patient bunch. We eagerly await your link to a real scientific paper. Or a blog, whatever you prefer...
Did you expect tstat knows what a null hypothesis is?
Why don't you just save everyone a lot of time and show us the rock-solid, peer-reviewed paper proving that similar Arctic Ice minimums were NOT reached since the Holocene Thermal Maximum?
We're a patient bunch. We eagerly await your link to a real scientific paper. Or a blog, whatever you prefer...
Did you expect tstat knows what a null hypothesis is?
Why don't you just save everyone a lot of time and show us the rock-solid, peer-reviewed paper proving that similar Arctic Ice minimums were NOT reached since the Holocene Thermal Maximum?
We're a patient bunch. We eagerly await your link to a real scientific paper. Or a blog, whatever you prefer...
Did you expect tstat knows what a null hypothesis is?
He may know what the difference is. After all besides ignorance, there is a clear personally division between those who embrace freedom and those who think they would make the best dictator.
icefisher "All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, “What are light quanta?”. Nowadays every Tom, Dicck and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken." (Einstein shortly before his death 1954)
Waiting for the evidence that the Arctic Sea Ice Minimum reached similar levels between the Holocene Thermal Maximum and 2012 is like waiting for Godot.
Waiting for Godot can take some time. Fair enough, no forum members have any actual evidence that the Arctic Sea Ice somehow reached present lows at some unspecified date after the Holocene Thermal maximum.
Waiting for the evidence that the Arctic Sea Ice Minimum reached similar levels between the Holocene Thermal Maximum and 2012 is like waiting for Godot.
Waiting for Godot can take some time. Fair enough, no forum members have any actual evidence that the Arctic Sea Ice somehow reached present lows at some unspecified date after the Holocene Thermal maximum.
Got it.
Sure there is solid evidence of the fact.
icefisher "All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, “What are light quanta?”. Nowadays every Tom, Dicck and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken." (Einstein shortly before his death 1954)
Waiting for Godot can take some time. Fair enough, no forum members have any actual evidence that the Arctic Sea Ice somehow reached present lows at some unspecified date after the Holocene Thermal maximum.
Got it.
Sure there is solid evidence of the fact.
Arctic Sea Ice melts more now when it is colder than previous periods in history when it was warmer. Tstat is having trouble getting the words out.
Waiting for the evidence that the Arctic Sea Ice Minimum reached similar levels between the Holocene Thermal Maximum and 2012 is like waiting for Godot.
Waiting for Godot can take some time. Fair enough, no forum members have any actual evidence that the Arctic Sea Ice somehow reached present lows at some unspecified date after the Holocene Thermal maximum.
Got it.
Thermostat: Are you really that daft? There have been numerous papers posted on this board that show the current level of Arctic Ice has been reached numerous times AFTER the Holocene Maximum.
I find it hard to believe that an old farmer knows more than a PhD feller.......but dog gone it.....sure appears that way.
If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain
Waiting for Godot can take some time. Fair enough, no forum members have any actual evidence that the Arctic Sea Ice somehow reached present lows at some unspecified date after the Holocene Thermal maximum.
Got it.
Thermostat: Are you really that daft? There have been numerous papers posted on this board that show the current level of Arctic Ice has been reached numerous times AFTER the Holocene Maximum.
I find it hard to believe that an old farmer knows more than a PhD feller.......but dog gone it.....sure appears that way.
sigurdur,
Could you please provide those references? No, I have not seen such evidence. If the Arctic Sea melted has away just like the present over the past 5000 + years I am most anxious to see the data that shows it.
You either don't bother to read the posted papers or you can't read.
I see that you have been a member since June of 2010.
I know that I have posted papers during the past 2 years that show the current ice is nothing new.
I am now to the point of not believing you have a PhD at all.
I hate to be blunt, but there does come a point where valid discussion requires reading and udnerstanding. And actually reading what is posted.
I will say this.........being I am one of the many who have posted papers showing that the current ice concentration is nothing new.....prove me wrong.
It is up to you now.
If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain
Again, we are all familiar with the Holocene Thermal Maximum. That was 10 K to 8 K years ago.
Forum members appear to be asserting that 'recently' similar conditions to that time, and most specifically, similar conditions to the present, regarding the Arctic Sea Ice have occurred.
Again, we are all familiar with the Holocene Thermal Maximum. That was 10 K to 8 K years ago.
Forum members appear to be asserting that 'recently' similar conditions to that time, and most specifically, similar conditions to the present, regarding the Arctic Sea Ice have occurred.
This appears to be the jist of the discussion.
The current Arctic Ice pack is nowhere close to being as low as it was during the Holocene Optimum of approx 5 to 6,000 yeaes before present.
I do not believe that anyone has claimed that or I have missed said claim.
If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain
Again, we are all familiar with the Holocene Thermal Maximum. That was 10 K to 8 K years ago.
Forum members appear to be asserting that 'recently' similar conditions to that time, and most specifically, similar conditions to the present, regarding the Arctic Sea Ice have occurred.
This appears to be the jist of the discussion.
The current Arctic Ice pack is nowhere close to being as low as it was during the Holocene Optimum of approx 5 to 6,000 yeaes before present.
I do not believe that anyone has claimed that or I have missed said claim.
Sigurdur, Artic Ice pack is equivalent to Artic Ice Volume, right? If so I agree with you for I believe it is much more important yearly max and min artic ice pack volume fluctuactions rather than ice extension. For instance: It is possible that after a minimum extent summer -as this past one- a cold and snowy winter affecting NH had and effect of a raising albedo due to long lasting snow cover in larger parts of Eurasia and North America... Could that be? Thanks in advance