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Post by Andrew on Dec 18, 2012 7:57:34 GMT
Helsinki came within millimetres of breaking the 1960 snow fall 'record' in 2010/2011 and the winters from 2009 to 2012/13 have all had heavy snow fall.
So far this year we already have had crazy amounts of snow. As my cheerful neighbour told me as we were shoveling snow, "It is good that we already know we have enough"
Meanwhile the Baltic Sea ice is a little ahead of normal for the last 30 years, where many of those years were quite mild ice winters.
Normally at this time of the year the Baltic would be reasonably ice free and so it appears the mainly ice free 'warm' Baltic is not unusually contributing to the snow we are getting, at least when compared to the last 30 years.
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Post by dontgetoutmuch on Dec 18, 2012 17:49:14 GMT
Stay warm my friend. It was our turn last year. (Broke the all time record snowfall.)
Now we are just freezing our extremities off, but at least we are not shoveling. Just to cheer you up. Yesterday the "official" low was -9f, 22 degrees below our normal. the "official" high was 1f, 24 degrees below normal. Note the reason "official is in quotes is because the only place in town that got above about -6f yesterday was at the official thermometer, most of the day it was in the negative double digits across town. I think they must have some sort of heater directed at the sensor...
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Post by numerouno on Dec 21, 2012 21:55:27 GMT
Remove the quesswork and neighbourtalk -- observe the official statistics: ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/talvitilanne Mostly a Southern Finland thing this year. Arctic Oscillation:  |
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Post by karlox on Dec 22, 2012 12:15:03 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 22, 2012 15:55:53 GMT
Karlox:
This has to be related, but until I can get my hands on the whole paper, hard to tell. The abstract is most deff interesting.
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Post by magellan on Dec 23, 2012 4:45:40 GMT
www.2007seatraining.de/index.htmlNumerouno, where were you pointing out the AO when it was positive? Maybe it is just me, but there doesn't seem to be much global warming going on these days. Unisys hasn't updated since 12/16. 
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Post by karlox on Dec 23, 2012 8:39:14 GMT
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Post by karlox on Dec 23, 2012 8:44:43 GMT
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Post by Andrew on Jan 18, 2013 16:05:12 GMT
We have not had much snow since Christmas but tonights forecast of -26C is particularly cold for Helsinki. The lowest we ever had since we moved here in 2009 was one time of -24.4 in jan or feb of 2010 and another time of -24.4C in jan or feb of 2011. When we were 50kms inland 24.4 was unusual and the lowest we ever got inland since 2007 was -28C -30C would be totally unheard of in Helsinki apart from extreme cold periods like back in 1986. Incidently the coldest temperature ever for Finland was very recent in about 1999 of about -52C  |
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 18, 2013 16:38:34 GMT
Radiant:
I thought you folks got cold over there.
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Post by karlox on Jan 18, 2013 18:56:00 GMT
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Post by Andrew on Jan 18, 2013 21:43:59 GMT
Radiant: I thought you folks got cold over there. Finland is a long country and we are in the most southern part. The climate of Finland is generally moderated by the Gulf stream and also Helsinki is near the relatively warm Baltic which has not fully frozen over in winter since the little ice age and hence is also a source of warmth. Even 50kms inland it is noticably more colder than at the Baltic sea where we are. Once you move away from the Seas you get a more continental climate and extreme low temperatures. As it happens it appears the earlier forecast was wrong and we are only going to get -23 later tonight, even so this is still by 6 degrees the coldest temperature of this winter. |
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Post by numerouno on Jan 19, 2013 3:58:03 GMT
"Once you move away from the Seas you get a more continental climate and extreme low temperatures." Not really, the whole country can be turned either way, continental or maritime, in a single day depending on the weather systems. It's a battleground. When westerly winds prevail, the weather is warm and clear in most of the country due to the 'föhn' phenomenon caused by the Keel range. Despite the moderating effect of the ocean, the Asian continental climate also extends to Finland at times, manifesting itself as severe cold in winter and extreme heat in summer....
According to Köppen's climate classification, Finland belongs wholly to the temperate coniferous-mixed forest zone with cold, wet winters. The mean temperature of the warmest month is no lower than 10°C and that of the coldest month no higher than -3°C. Rainfall is moderate in all seasons.en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/climate |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 19, 2013 5:41:38 GMT
"Once you move away from the Seas you get a more continental climate and extreme low temperatures." Not really, the whole country can be turned either way, continental or maritime, in a single day depending on the weather systems. It's a battleground. I was not referring to Finland. Temperatures in central Russia can be brutal. Even the Ukraine recently had an insane low of I think -60C? It could have been one of the 'stans |
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Post by numerouno on Jan 19, 2013 17:03:13 GMT
Temperatures in central Russia can be brutal.Supposedly you mean Siberia now? Moscow is not that different from Central Finland:   There has not been nowhere near a -60C temp in Ukraine, mind you. Please get real, you should have a rough idea of what temps are like, living in Finland now. Here's the graph for Kiev for the year 2012:  weatherspark.com/history/33809/2012/Kiev-Kiev-City-Ukraine
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