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Post by Ratty on Oct 28, 2014 12:34:09 GMT
I have just listened to the Today program in the UK I caught the back end of an interview with a Met.Office spokesman He was asked if this year would be the hottest year ever I presume he was talking about the UK Does anyone have any data?Yep, I got it in 2002. The word is that it would be hotter every year afterwards.
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Post by zaphod on Jan 10, 2015 16:08:34 GMT
Interesting Met Office page here: www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate-service-uk"Climate Service UK creates framework that provides the support and advice for public and private sectors to manage climate-related risks and opportunities Throughout history society has faced risks arising from natural variations in climate. Today, we face additional challenges from human-induced climate change. However, with our expanding knowledge of climate science, ever-improving climate forecasts, and growing understanding of how climate hazards impact society and the environment, we are now able to be more strategic in our response to climate-related risks and opportunities. The need for information and tools to enable both the UK and wider world to cope is real and urgent. Climate Service UK addresses this need by offering expert advice, bespoke climate information, value-added services and solutions to help build capacity in developing countries." The page links to a PDF presentation by Slingo. HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 10, 2015 18:16:13 GMT
Interesting Met Office page here: www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate-service-uk"Climate Service UK creates framework that provides the support and advice for public and private sectors to manage climate-related risks and opportunities Throughout history society has faced risks arising from natural variations in climate. Today, we face additional challenges from human-induced climate change. However, with our expanding knowledge of climate science, ever-improving climate forecasts, and growing understanding of how climate hazards impact society and the environment, we are now able to be more strategic in our response to climate-related risks and opportunities. The need for information and tools to enable both the UK and wider world to cope is real and urgent. Climate Service UK addresses this need by offering expert advice, bespoke climate information, value-added services and solutions to help build capacity in developing countries." The page links to a PDF presentation by Slingo. HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! It would be tempting to contact 'Climate Service UK' and ask them if they accepted responsibility for their forecasts so that damages would be available if they were completely incorrect, for example a prediction of repeated 'barbecue summers' was followed by a multiple years without summers. If they were unwilling to back up their forecasts with monetary damages if they were wrong - why should business believe them and take the risk?
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Post by scpg02 on Jan 10, 2015 23:22:30 GMT
Interesting Met Office page here: www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate-service-uk"Climate Service UK creates framework that provides the support and advice for public and private sectors to manage climate-related risks and opportunities Throughout history society has faced risks arising from natural variations in climate. Today, we face additional challenges from human-induced climate change. However, with our expanding knowledge of climate science, ever-improving climate forecasts, and growing understanding of how climate hazards impact society and the environment, we are now able to be more strategic in our response to climate-related risks and opportunities. The need for information and tools to enable both the UK and wider world to cope is real and urgent. Climate Service UK addresses this need by offering expert advice, bespoke climate information, value-added services and solutions to help build capacity in developing countries." The page links to a PDF presentation by Slingo. HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! It would be tempting to contact 'Climate Service UK' and ask them if they accepted responsibility for their forecasts so that damages would be available if they were completely incorrect, for example a prediction of repeated 'barbecue summers' was followed by a multiple years without summers. If they were unwilling to back up their forecasts with monetary damages if they were wrong - why should business believe them and take the risk? I find it interesting that forecasters like Piers and our own Astromet, who base their forecasts on solar activity, are much more accurate.
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Post by flyfisher7 on Jan 11, 2015 0:38:41 GMT
It would be tempting to contact 'Climate Service UK' and ask them if they accepted responsibility for their forecasts so that damages would be available if they were completely incorrect, for example a prediction of repeated 'barbecue summers' was followed by a multiple years without summers. If they were unwilling to back up their forecasts with monetary damages if they were wrong - why should business believe them and take the risk? I find it interesting that forecasters like Piers and our own Astromet, who base their forecasts on solar activity, are much more accurate. I assume you're referring to Piers Corbyn? I'm curious, I've seen his name around a lot and he has no problem claiming that his team forecasted certain events well in advance, after the event of course. Have you seen anything that he's forecasted prior to the fruition?
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Post by Ratty on Jan 11, 2015 11:58:30 GMT
" bespoke climate information" .... commissioned for whom?
bespoke: anything commissioned to a particular specification
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Post by graywolf on Jan 11, 2015 12:35:51 GMT
Over here ratty we have year on year reductions in the monies Local authorities have to spend on local services ( set against a backdrop of both an increasing population and an ageing one). Road Gritting , over winter, is one area that has been hammered so long range winter forecasts have been 'useful' in limiting 'overspends' in that area...... of course 09/2010's winter caused massive issues for many councils......
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 11, 2015 15:59:28 GMT
" bespoke climate information" .... commissioned for whom? bespoke: anything commissioned to a particular specification In the central US, we have given up on the probabilities of long range forecasts. Some years we are cold, some years warm. Some years we get a lot of snow, some years we don't. Contrary to long range forecasts, most of the time going beyond a week they prove to be wrong. And that is ok, at least they are trying to forecast. Can't figure out what you are doing wrong unless you are doing something...just sayin.
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Post by scpg02 on Jan 11, 2015 17:10:42 GMT
I find it interesting that forecasters like Piers and our own Astromet, who base their forecasts on solar activity, are much more accurate. I assume you're referring to Piers Corbyn? I'm curious, I've seen his name around a lot and he has no problem claiming that his team forecasted certain events well in advance, after the event of course. Have you seen anything that he's forecasted prior to the fruition? yes, he posted regularly in the yahoo climate group. He also posts on facebook. He posted more in depth on yahoo because it was a closed group. he makes his living doing this. if he wasn't accurate his client base would dry up. I could probably bring a facebook link over here. www.facebook.com/piers.corbyn?fref=ts
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 11, 2015 19:39:14 GMT
Over here ratty we have year on year reductions in the monies Local authorities have to spend on local services ( set against a backdrop of both an increasing population and an ageing one). Road Gritting , over winter, is one area that has been hammered so long range winter forecasts have been 'useful' in limiting 'overspends' in that area...... of course 09/2010's winter caused massive issues for many councils...... Professor Viner of CRU made the celebrated forecast about children not knowing snow in the UK Independent about the UK. " Average temperatures in Britain were nearly 0.6°C higher in the Nineties than in 1960-90, and it is estimated that they will increase by 0.2C every decade over the coming century. Eight of the 10 hottest years on record occurred in the Nineties.
However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".
"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.
The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.
Fen skating, once a popular sport on the fields of East Anglia, now takes place on indoor artificial rinks. Malcolm Robinson, of the Fenland Indoor Speed Skating Club in Peterborough, says they have not skated outside since 1997. "As a boy, I can remember being on ice most winters. Now it's few and far between," he said."Monday 20 March 2000Given that forecast from the illustrious CRU - it must be true - so any government believing in AGW should have stopped all funding of gritting, salt and snow ploughs as there would be no more snow - correct GreyWolf? Edit - I just looked Halifax Yorkshire UK can expect snow showers next week - get ready for all the excited children asking what it is.
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Post by acidohm on Jan 11, 2015 20:29:18 GMT
We had more snow 2008-2012 then I remember in my lifetime........approaching 40......
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Post by Ratty on Jan 11, 2015 22:42:17 GMT
Children here don't know what snow is and it's a travesty.
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 11, 2015 23:56:42 GMT
Children here don't know what snow is and it's a travesty. Send them to North Dakota and we will eliminate their lack of "understanding".
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Post by flyfisher7 on Jan 12, 2015 2:00:20 GMT
I assume you're referring to Piers Corbyn? I'm curious, I've seen his name around a lot and he has no problem claiming that his team forecasted certain events well in advance, after the event of course. Have you seen anything that he's forecasted prior to the fruition? yes, he posted regularly in the yahoo climate group. He also posts on facebook. He posted more in depth on yahoo because it was a closed group. he makes his living doing this. if he wasn't accurate his client base would dry up. I could probably bring a facebook link over here. www.facebook.com/piers.corbyn?fref=tsThanks for the link. Is the yahoo group still active? I'd like to read whatever is over there..
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Post by scpg02 on Jan 12, 2015 2:13:48 GMT
yes, he posted regularly in the yahoo climate group. He also posts on facebook. He posted more in depth on yahoo because it was a closed group. he makes his living doing this. if he wasn't accurate his client base would dry up. I could probably bring a facebook link over here. www.facebook.com/piers.corbyn?fref=tsThanks for the link. Is the yahoo group still active? I'd like to read whatever is over there.. Yes they are. You have to have a degree to get in officially. Not sure who if anyone is manning the gate. I'm no longer a moderator there. I'll try to post a link and try to assist if you can't get in.
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