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Post by sigurdur on Mar 9, 2014 18:44:37 GMT
Aw shucks boxman. Being you folks are used to it you can have it back.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 9, 2014 18:44:50 GMT
Aw shucks boxman. Being you folks are used to it you can have it back.
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Post by woodstove on Mar 10, 2014 2:02:32 GMT
This winter reminds me of the winters we experienced in the 1970's. At this point I hope the pattern changes and we get back on the warm side of this loopy jet stream. Its time for Europe to get some some of this cold and snowy weather. I've had enough and am ready for warm tropical breezes! I think it was about time that us Europeans finally got a break as well while you got a taste of what we had for several winters in a row. This is the first break we have had in years from the cold, so I think we deserved a mild winter for a change. And here in Norway it has not just been the winters either.. We have not had a real summer in years either with maximum temperatures just a few days near 25c with it peaking already in may here in middle of Norway. Meanwhile back in 90s and first half of this millenia the peaks were normally around 30c with summers that had at least a week or two of good weather. It has not even been swimable in lakes or fjords for near a decade now since temperatures no longer go anywhere near or above 20c in water due to lack of extended summer weather. Next year it is probably us who get the cold again.. Appreciate the observations!
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 10, 2014 2:31:10 GMT
Harold: Go to the MWP thread. Some new literature there in regards to the MWP being world wide.
Hope all is going well for you.
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Post by douglavers on Mar 13, 2014 5:40:08 GMT
weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom_new.gifAs far as I can see [as a complete amateur] the current relatively low level of Arctic Sea ice is mostly due to a huge ice free zone to the North [roughly] of Norway. This came about from the stream of Atlantic depressions over the last three months pushing back the ice frontier. Looking at the gif chart, link quoted above, if the cold blob in the middle of the Atlantic persists it will demonstrate that the North Atlantic Drift [ aka Gulf Stream] has stalled. I will make some extremely rash forecasts for next winter if this occurs; a) Arctic Ice will return with a vengeance, and Arctic temperatures will be MUCH lower than this year b) Unless you are a Polar Bear, Europe will not be a popular tourist destination next winter.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 13, 2014 6:07:56 GMT
I agree with plan B. And plan A.
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Post by karlox on Mar 13, 2014 8:57:12 GMT
I agree with plan B. And plan A. Plan C: - Couldn´t we just enjoy of a normal-standard-average (temps and snow-rain fall) winter 2014-2015 in NH both in Europe and North America?. (And if we badly need to put some extra rain-fall and lower temps somewhere, we´d better put them in Northern Africa!)
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Post by douglavers on Mar 13, 2014 11:19:25 GMT
Karlox
As I understand the existing mechanism, prevailing winds push warm Gulf of Mexico water North-East across the Atlantic.
High evaporation eventually increases the density of the water sufficiently for it to "dive" into abyssal depths and form a deep water return current. In the process, terawatt hours of heat are given off which keeps Europe much warmer than comparable latitudes In North America and Asia. It also keeps the Russian deep water ports close to the Barents Sea more or less ice-free.
In colder periods the jet streams move further South, and the "diving mechanism" occurs much sooner. There are probably other mechanisms involved which I do not understand, and I am sure I have grossly oversimplified the process.
Anyhow, the important point is that the North Atlantic cools rapidly as that nice friendly heat from the Gulf goes AWOL much sooner.
Europe suddenly has a climate much closer to that of Alaska, and Arctic Ice extends far further South-Westwards. The Barents Sea and the Baltic Sea freeze, and Iceland is probably surrounded by sea-ice in winter.
The Arctic itself becomes much colder. This alone will have consequences.
We then teeter on the edge of an ice age.
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Post by strongminded on Mar 14, 2014 0:14:18 GMT
In north central Ohio we had a nasty snow with exceptional winds creating whiteouts and about 3 inches of ice on roadways and really it is March 13. So today between meetings I sent an official requistion to the nice folks in purchasing for Spring. I had to provide a vendor..."Mother Nature;" a description..."temperatures between 55 to 70, green leaves, tulips, crocuses, and peepers;" a value..."priceless;" three quotes..."Easter Bunny quoted priceless, Jack Frost quote 1.5 million, and Jack-o-Lantern said he didn't know if be able to bid that far out;" also needed justification..."WINTER SUCKS." It goes to Board of Commissioners on Wednesday, I'll let you know what happens.
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Post by strongminded on Mar 14, 2014 0:26:22 GMT
I have a grant that needs to start outdoor work as soon as possible to reach our goal. I am currently hiring laborers and getting all things ready to roll. I looked at the "Old Farmer's Almanac" for the first time in ages and almost cried . Snow through May 1st. I have things that have to be accomplished...the Feds (through NOAA via the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative) gave us almost 1 million dollars to eradicate 40 acres of invasive species by hand (although I am trying to get a tractor with some helpful implements)and I need some dry weather in a really bad way . I will have 20 long term unemployed counting on a pay check too boot. I am beginning to get nervous since the weather really put us behid the eight ball last season. What do you guys think? Will we be able to accomplish this goal or will the weather tank our efforts?
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 14, 2014 1:02:09 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 14, 2014 1:04:33 GMT
I have a grant that needs to start outdoor work as soon as possible to reach our goal. I am currently hiring laborers and getting all things ready to roll. I looked at the "Old Farmer's Almanac" for the first time in ages and almost cried . Snow through May 1st. I have things that have to be accomplished...the Feds (through NOAA via the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative) gave us almost 1 million dollars to eradicate 40 acres of invasive species by hand (although I am trying to get a tractor with some helpful implements)and I need some dry weather in a really bad way . I will have 20 long term unemployed counting on a pay check too boot. I am beginning to get nervous since the weather really put us behid the eight ball last season. What do you guys think? Will we be able to accomplish this goal or will the weather tank our efforts? Don't plan for any type of "seasonal" weather till the 1st of June. Sorry to bear that bad tidings, but everything is shaping up that way.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 14, 2014 1:20:14 GMT
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Post by glennkoks on Mar 14, 2014 13:03:07 GMT
sigurdur,
I somehow knew that the multiple attacks of "The Polar Vortex" on us this winter would all somehow be tied into AGW by the alarmist crowd. However the weather patterns over the last three or four years in the NH seems eerily familiar to those of us who have read "The Little Ice Age How Climate Made History 1300-1850". Several years ago while the U.S. was basking in warmth the Danube was frozen over. All brought to you courtesy of a meandering jet stream.
It seems that the zonal flowing jet stream that has dominated our weather for so long has given way to a much more meridonal flowing one. If this pattern continues we can expect weather marked by extreme contrasts. Record warmth on the backside of a trough and frigid outbreaks plunging southward...
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 14, 2014 16:46:26 GMT
Glenn:
As the old saying goes, learn from the past. What I see today is folks who don't believe the past, and are trying to find current reasons for the jet stream directions. And if they only looked to the past......
But that doesn't fit the funding mechanism.........
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