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Post by Andrew on Aug 21, 2013 9:03:07 GMT
Anyway if we are talk about craziness it helps to have a shared definition. I prefer 'out of touch with reality.' so that the person does not know what it is real of what is illusion. The permanent distortion of reality is a sign of schizophrenia. People affected often fail to recognize they are ill at all, as the have become an integral part of their own changed reality that is also further changeable in itself. Psychotic episodes often occur. Again, about 10,000 posts banging your head on the wall as you say is more like a compulsive act. You can't teach then. You can't be taught yourself. This board is a psychological sampling environment for sub-clinically (and clinically?) deviant behaviour, that is the real reason behind the denialist movement, and many other similar protest movements. So still you deny Icefisher was correct. As I said do you realise you are ill?
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Post by numerouno on Aug 21, 2013 11:24:51 GMT
The permanent distortion of reality is a sign of schizophrenia. People affected often fail to recognize they are ill at all, as the have become an integral part of their own changed reality that is also further changeable in itself. Psychotic episodes often occur. Again, about 10,000 posts banging your head on the wall as you say is more like a compulsive act. You can't teach then. You can't be taught yourself. This board is a psychological sampling environment for sub-clinically (and clinically?) deviant behaviour, that is the real reason behind the denialist movement, and many other similar protest movements. So still you deny Icefisher was correct. As I said do you realise you are ill? Word into your ear mate: Icefisher is dragging you all over the place as his catch just for the sheer fun of it.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 21, 2013 13:25:38 GMT
So still you deny Icefisher was correct. As I said do you realise you are ill? Word into your ear mate: Icefisher is dragging you all over the place as his catch just for the sheer fun of it. I suspect that is the case. But what fun does he get from it?
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Post by numerouno on Aug 21, 2013 19:14:43 GMT
"I suspect that is the case. But what fun does he get from it?"
I'm not sure, but it's not healthy anyway. I'd stop pleasing him if I were you.
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Post by icefisher on Aug 21, 2013 21:14:06 GMT
"I suspect that is the case. But what fun does he get from it?" I'm not sure, but it's not healthy anyway. I'd stop pleasing him if I were you. Concerned about Iceskater's mental health Numno? back on topic not sure what all the hoopla was about whether its text or phone. I still have my Dad's old 300bit/sec packet modem he used with his Commodore 64 and hf gear. full on text chat there as fast as he could type. If you need help setting it up, I suspect that Iridium has the software for it. If not you can ask an old ham to do it for you. We aren't talking pre-digital here we are talking digital illiterate and thats you Numno. Computer languages should count as other languages. . . .unless of course you are stuck in the pre-digital age. During the Microsoft monopoly suit I think it was the President of Oracle or Sun, can't remember which, who said owning the Windows API was like owning the English language.
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Post by glennkoks on Aug 22, 2013 0:22:48 GMT
The problem I have with this is many will equate a successful voyage as an affirmation of AGW and vise versa. Their voyage successful or not will neither prove or disprove AGW. Last year saw a record low ice extent and this year has been somewhat of a surprise. 4 yahoos in a boat can survive a nasty arctic summer or could parish in a mild one.
I for one would much prefer non-biased climate scientists ( if they exist) to study the MWP and the LIA and all the other climate shifts than to waste time with trying to guess arctic ice extent before satellites. We know the Norse expanded west to Greenland and beyond during the MWP and we know they did not make it during the LIA.
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Post by nonentropic on Aug 22, 2013 2:21:28 GMT
The entire debate is in the emotional phase as there is no data to present that supports the CAGW tale.
I hope for frozen bodies as the balance of opinion will shift and so to will the number of deaths from the green agenda.
Some sort of utilitarian philosophy at play.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 22, 2013 4:58:18 GMT
As far as the ice conditions go, they can still make it to Gjoa, but not much beyond that.
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Post by cuttydyer on Aug 22, 2013 4:58:28 GMT
Goodness, its getting crowded up there. I'm half expecting team Thermostat & Numerouno to paddle into the story on inflatable lilos wearing nothing more than speedos. Team Matt and Cam (Fairmont’s Northwest Passage expedition - attempting to sail and row their 17ft boat from Inuvik to Pond Inlet) meet up with team Mainstream at Cape Lady Franklin. Link: mainstreamlastfirst.com/camaraderie-in-the-nwp-meet-mat-cam/
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Post by nonentropic on Aug 22, 2013 8:51:03 GMT
They are not speedos
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Post by numerouno on Aug 22, 2013 9:23:32 GMT
As far as the ice conditions go, they can still make it to Gjoa, but not much beyond that. With the general 0.6 concentration of ice at the most there should be no major problem.
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Post by cuttydyer on Aug 22, 2013 10:22:24 GMT
I note that the MainStream team are not adverse to shooting "endangered" polar pears if they try to interfere with their little jolly - how very green of them... Denis practicing killing something that's hungry (shame on him & down with that sort of stuff): ______________________________________________ Edit:
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Post by numerouno on Aug 22, 2013 11:04:23 GMT
LOL.
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Post by icefisher on Aug 22, 2013 12:53:41 GMT
they weren't exactly endearing themselves to the NGO community a few weeks ago when indulging in eating whale with the hunters they shacked up with.
But that says more about these guys being opportunists than climate saviors. One guy films and writes adventure documentaries, another lists his occupation as "personal advisor" (Tony Robbins no doubt is his idol), another is a long time adventurer, and the last guy appear to may be a client (deadhead?) of the personal advisor.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 22, 2013 13:07:34 GMT
As far as the ice conditions go, they can still make it to Gjoa, but not much beyond that. With the general 0.6 concentration of ice at the most there should be no major problem. I find it very hard to believe they are going to follow their original plan and row directly for pond inlet across a very wide ice filled sea when earlier in the trip they were intimidated by the ice and the open sea and were relieved when they could begin shore hugging and no longer had to cross the bays at the beginning of the trip.
That ice will all be drifting around with the wind, and all they have to move around it and escape it, is their own muscle power in a relatively heavy boat.
Plus if they head directly for pond inlet they will have to row continuously where mooring against the ice for sleep breaks seems a bit unlikely to me.
After having another look they can avoid an open crossing of large areas of water for most of the way other than a small stretch just above the island that Gjoa Haven is on, so they might still be able to make it all the way to pond inlet.
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