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Post by ray on Oct 25, 2013 14:03:31 GMT
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Post by icefisher on Oct 25, 2013 16:33:44 GMT
Corbyn levels the charge of fraud on the IPCC for reducing the number of weather stations by 60% in order to increase the recent warming trend. Hmmmmm, I wonder if this is why Phil Jones dog ate the raw data? So one cannot see what data he had so one could not see what data was not carried forward. Certainly seems more than plausible because of the revealed email of Jones threatening to destroy the data than give it to the likes of auditor Steve McIntyre.
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 25, 2013 19:25:06 GMT
If New York Freezes in January Blame Siberian Snow Now "The more ground covered by snow across northern Europe and Asia at the end of October, the greater the chances of triggering a phenomenon known as the negative phase of the Arctic Oscillation. That would flood North America, Europe and East Asia with polar air and possibly erect a blocking effect in the North Atlantic that would bottle up the cold in the U.S.
In September, 2.36 million square kilometers (911,000 square miles) of northern Europe and Asia were covered by snow, according to the Rutgers University Global Snow Lab. That compared with the 1981-2010 mean of 1.5 million.
“It’s running well above normal,” said Matt Rogers, president of Commodity Weather Group LLC, a commercial forecaster in Bethesda, Maryland. “Through the last week of September, it’s the highest snow total in Eurasia since 1977.” "
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Post by AstroMet on Oct 27, 2013 1:04:34 GMT
I wonder where Theo went too? I've been working Codewacker, Have completed Winter/Spring 2014 Climate Outlook and will publish here soon. It's been a ton of Astromet work over the spring, summer and into autumn. Just working a lot...
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Post by glennkoks on Oct 27, 2013 1:17:08 GMT
I wonder where Theo went too? I've been working Codewacker, Have completed Winter/Spring 2014 Climate Outlook and will publish here soon. It's been a ton of Astromet work over the spring, summer and into autumn. Just working a lot... Good to see you back.
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Post by ray on Oct 27, 2013 17:50:27 GMT
I wonder where Theo went too? I've been working Codewacker, Have completed Winter/Spring 2014 Climate Outlook and will publish here soon. It's been a ton of Astromet work over the spring, summer and into autumn. Just working a lot... Theo, baby! Nice to have you back.
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Post by strongminded on Oct 27, 2013 23:03:24 GMT
So I just finished reading this last page of posts...My two cents are as follows...The US has been seeing storms but I do not believe these are the first or last of their kind. In fact I really don't believe they ae all that extreme...what I do beleive is that they have effected a much larger population than previous extreme weather events (note I said weather not climate) which makes them extremely expensive. I have recently read a couple of articles that blame "AGW" on various insect and other invasive specie troubles...I do believe that the warmer winters we have experienced over the last decade or so have something to do with that but nature has a way of correcting itself and as climate is cyclical the correction will occur. And my last comment: Sometimes it is simply not about us (humans).
Code: as for your scientists....follow the money.
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 28, 2013 2:53:51 GMT
The bark beetle is going well because of the age of trees. The old trees and underbrush are a host. Example is Black Hills in USA. I will find some info supporting this and post when at puter.
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Post by ray on Nov 5, 2013 15:43:51 GMT
A good article on global cooling. Lawrence Solomon: A global cooling consensus Solar activity is now falling more rapidly than at any time in the last 10,000 years In the 1960s and 1970s, a growing scientific consensus held that the Earth was entering a period of global cooling. The CIA announced that the “Western world’s leading climatologists have confirmed recent reports of detrimental global climatic change” akin to the Little Ice Age of the 17th and 18th centuries, “an era of drought, famine and political unrest in the western world.” President Jimmy Carter signed the National Climate Program Act to deal with the coming global cooling crisis. Newsweek magazine published a chilling article entitled “The Cooling World.” In the decades that followed, as temperatures rose, climate skeptics mocked the global cooling hypothesis and a new theory emerged — that Earth was in fact entering a period of global warming. Now an increasing number of scientists are swinging back to the thinking of the 1960s and 1970s. The global cooling hypothesis may have been right after all, they say. Earth may be entering a new Little Ice Age. “Real risk of a Maunder Minimum ‘Little Ice Age,’” announced the BBC this week, in reporting startling findings by Professor Mike Lockwood of Reading University. “Professor Lockwood believes solar activity is now falling more rapidly than at any time in the last 10,000 years [raising the risk of a new Little Ice Age] from less than 10% just a few years ago to 25-30%,” explained Paul Hudson, the BBC’s climate correspondent. If Earth is spared a new Little Ice Age, a severe cooling as “occurred in the early 1800s, which also had its fair share of cold winters and poor summers, is, according to him, ‘more likely than not’ to happen.” During the Little Ice Age, the Sun became eerily quiet, as measured by a near disappearance of the sunspots that are typically present. Solar scientists around the world today see similar conditions, giving impetus to the widespread view that cold times lie ahead. “When we have had periods where the Sun has been quieter than usual we tend to get these much harsher winters” echoed climatologist Dennis Wheeler from Sunderland University, in a Daily Express article entitled “Now get ready for an ‘Ice Age’ as experts warn of Siberian winter ahead.” Scientists at the Climate and Environmental Physics and Oeschger Centre for Climate Change Research at the University of Berne in Switzerland back up theories that support the Sun’s importance in determining the climate on Earth. In a paper published this month by the American Meteorological Society, the authors demolish the claims by IPCC scientists that the Sun couldn’t be responsible for major shifts in climate. In a post on her website this month, Judith Curry, Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology, all-but mocked the IPCC assertions that solar variations don’t matter. Among the many studies and authorities she cited: the National Research Council’s recent report, “The Effects of Solar Variability on Earth’s Climate,” and NASA, former home of global warming guru James Hansen. As NASA highlighted in a press release in January of this year, in citing the NRC report on solar variations: “There is, however, a dawning realization among researchers that even these apparently tiny variations can have a significant effect on terrestrial climate.” To bolster the argument that solar activity could explain the Little Ice Age as well as lesser changes, NASA then listed some dozen authorities, including Dan Lubin of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, whose research on other sun-like stars in the Milky Way suggest that “the Sun’s influence could be overpowering.” In the last two years, the scientific community’s openness to examining the role of the Sun in climate change – as opposed to the role of man – has exploded. Scientists are now rediscovering earlier works by scientists at the Danish National Space Center who as early as the 1990s published peer-reviewed articles demonstrating the Sun’s role in climate change. And by scientists at the Russian Academy of Sciences’ Pulkovo Observatory, whose predictions in the last decade that global cooling would start in this decade are looking especially prescient. All will be rediscovering the science of the 1960s and 1970s, which even earlier sounded the alarm on the coming period of global cooling. Those early scientists expected the cooling trend of the 1960s and 1970s to relent for several decades, as it in fact did. “None of us expected uninterrupted continuation of the trend,” explained Columbia University’s George Kukla in 2007, whose 1972 letter to the president triggered the U.S. government’s decision to take immediate action on the threat of global cooling. Global warming always precedes an ice age, Kukla explained. The warming we saw in the 1980s and 1990s, in other words, was expected all along, much as the calm before the storm. opinion.financialpost.com/2013/10/31/lawrence-solomon-a-global-cooling-consensus/
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Post by icefisher on Nov 5, 2013 17:27:04 GMT
So I just finished reading this last page of posts...My two cents are as follows...The US has been seeing storms but I do not believe these are the first or last of their kind. In fact I really don't believe they ae all that extreme...what I do beleive is that they have effected a much larger population than previous extreme weather events (note I said weather not climate) which makes them extremely expensive. I have recently read a couple of articles that blame "AGW" on various insect and other invasive specie troubles...I do believe that the warmer winters we have experienced over the last decade or so have something to do with that but nature has a way of correcting itself and as climate is cyclical the correction will occur. And my last comment: Sometimes it is simply not about us (humans). Code: as for your scientists....follow the money. Nature clearly has cycles. The PDO was discovered "scientifically" in 1996 and it was based upon many decades of anecdotal data of fishermen who knew about at least a hundred year before science figured it out. This anecdotal knowledge was corroborated in 1996 by studies on fish abundance patterns (e.g. deposition of scales and fossils and other such work). Climate scientists though have tunnel vision and have not done their homework in this area. Akasofu and Easterbrook have shoved their face into it but their blinders just bend over and completely block their vision as all they can see is checks with 6 and 7 figures for working exclusively on CO2. Way too much fraud as disaster after disaster is proposed, like the acidification issue where it is completely ignored that that species they say are threatened have been around for millions and millions of years and have seen high CO2 levels before and obviously survived. Of course when somebody notes that another fraudster steps up with a hockey stick. Its hard to see how scientists have evolved one iota since the days of the bloodletters (note: thats "scientists" not "science") and its not a slur of all scientists, either today or yesteryear, many who are very dedicated to their profession. It is a statement though of how a few can taint the image of many.
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Post by cuttydyer on Nov 15, 2013 10:52:55 GMT
China is showing significant cooling in the 20th century: A new paper published in Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology reconstructs May-July maximum temperatures in China over the past 267 years and finds that there was a significant decrease in temperatures over the 20th century. According to the authors, the "Reconstruction exhibits a significant decreased trend in 20th century" and "The reconstructed [temperatures are] similar to several observed [temperature series] and the temperature index in north-central China, which indicated that the decrease in summer temperatures in the 20th century was a large scale phenomenon." China's 20thC Summer temp trend is remarkably similar to that of the UK's all season trend: CET data: www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/data/download.htmlPaper link: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S003101821300374XSchtick link: hockeyschtick.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/new-paper-finds-significant-decreased.html
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Post by ray on Nov 19, 2013 20:22:51 GMT
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Post by cuttydyer on Nov 21, 2013 13:16:31 GMT
Cooling - those clever computer models have it covered. If, as some have predicted the world faces a decline in temperatures in the coming years, those clever climate scientists will now be able to say "we told you so, our models predicted it... and it's all the fault of nasty old CO2" To their surprise, Dutch and Irish scientists watched a mini-ice age spontaneously broke into a computer model that mimics the environment,. An indication that 'unexpected elements in the climate system, "says lead researcher Sybren Driftwood KNMI and the UK's National Oceanography Centre. "Towards a warmer climate, the system can make digressions that we did not expect." The spontaneous ice age, somewhat resembling the Little Ice Age between approximately 1300 and 1850 in the northern hemisphere led to harsh winters and cool summers. In the computer version, just out of nowhere in the detailed European climate model EC-Earth, the average of 1 to 2 degrees colder. That was in our country at that time enough for winter landscapes that Dutch masters such as Jacob van Ruysdael and Hendrick Avercamp became world famous. Extremely rare phenomenon An extremely rare phenomenon, though. Driftwood and colleagues played with their models seven times after centuries of climate history, they write in journal PNAS, while they saw the cold period only once created. Moreover, it seems the probability of the event in a warming world like ours rather smaller than larger. "Yet this is not excluded in the future," says Driftwood. 'On the way to such a warmer climate, the system can make digressions that we did not expect. " In the computer koudedip arose because in high pressure areas north and sea ice 'with a format click linked touched "as Driftwood says. Above sea ice occur earlier high pressure areas because cooled air above the ice is lowered. And northern areas of high pressure to turn the formation of sea ice provocation, because they bring cold wind currents going. The model was created that 'click' between sea ice and air currents in a few years time, after high-pressure areas sixty years increasingly blocked the dominant western airflow. Link: www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2672/Wetenschap-Gezondheid/article/detail/3547331/2013/11/19/Mini-ijstijd-breekt-spontaan-uit-in-computermodel.dhtml
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Post by AstroMet on May 13, 2014 2:48:43 GMT
A good article on global cooling. Lawrence Solomon: A global cooling consensus Solar activity is now falling more rapidly than at any time in the last 10,000 years In the 1960s and 1970s, a growing scientific consensus held that the Earth was entering a period of global cooling. The CIA announced that the “Western world’s leading climatologists have confirmed recent reports of detrimental global climatic change” akin to the Little Ice Age of the 17th and 18th centuries, “an era of drought, famine and political unrest in the western world.” President Jimmy Carter signed the National Climate Program Act to deal with the coming global cooling crisis. Newsweek magazine published a chilling article entitled “The Cooling World.” In the decades that followed, as temperatures rose, climate skeptics mocked the global cooling hypothesis and a new theory emerged — that Earth was in fact entering a period of global warming. Now an increasing number of scientists are swinging back to the thinking of the 1960s and 1970s. The global cooling hypothesis may have been right after all, they say. Earth may be entering a new Little Ice Age. “Real risk of a Maunder Minimum ‘Little Ice Age,’” announced the BBC this week, in reporting startling findings by Professor Mike Lockwood of Reading University. “Professor Lockwood believes solar activity is now falling more rapidly than at any time in the last 10,000 years [raising the risk of a new Little Ice Age] from less than 10% just a few years ago to 25-30%,” explained Paul Hudson, the BBC’s climate correspondent. If Earth is spared a new Little Ice Age, a severe cooling as “occurred in the early 1800s, which also had its fair share of cold winters and poor summers, is, according to him, ‘more likely than not’ to happen.” During the Little Ice Age, the Sun became eerily quiet, as measured by a near disappearance of the sunspots that are typically present. Solar scientists around the world today see similar conditions, giving impetus to the widespread view that cold times lie ahead. “When we have had periods where the Sun has been quieter than usual we tend to get these much harsher winters” echoed climatologist Dennis Wheeler from Sunderland University, in a Daily Express article entitled “Now get ready for an ‘Ice Age’ as experts warn of Siberian winter ahead.” Scientists at the Climate and Environmental Physics and Oeschger Centre for Climate Change Research at the University of Berne in Switzerland back up theories that support the Sun’s importance in determining the climate on Earth. In a paper published this month by the American Meteorological Society, the authors demolish the claims by IPCC scientists that the Sun couldn’t be responsible for major shifts in climate. In a post on her website this month, Judith Curry, Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology, all-but mocked the IPCC assertions that solar variations don’t matter. Among the many studies and authorities she cited: the National Research Council’s recent report, “The Effects of Solar Variability on Earth’s Climate,” and NASA, former home of global warming guru James Hansen. As NASA highlighted in a press release in January of this year, in citing the NRC report on solar variations: “There is, however, a dawning realization among researchers that even these apparently tiny variations can have a significant effect on terrestrial climate.” To bolster the argument that solar activity could explain the Little Ice Age as well as lesser changes, NASA then listed some dozen authorities, including Dan Lubin of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, whose research on other sun-like stars in the Milky Way suggest that “the Sun’s influence could be overpowering.” In the last two years, the scientific community’s openness to examining the role of the Sun in climate change – as opposed to the role of man – has exploded. Scientists are now rediscovering earlier works by scientists at the Danish National Space Center who as early as the 1990s published peer-reviewed articles demonstrating the Sun’s role in climate change. And by scientists at the Russian Academy of Sciences’ Pulkovo Observatory, whose predictions in the last decade that global cooling would start in this decade are looking especially prescient. All will be rediscovering the science of the 1960s and 1970s, which even earlier sounded the alarm on the coming period of global cooling. Those early scientists expected the cooling trend of the 1960s and 1970s to relent for several decades, as it in fact did. “None of us expected uninterrupted continuation of the trend,” explained Columbia University’s George Kukla in 2007, whose 1972 letter to the president triggered the U.S. government’s decision to take immediate action on the threat of global cooling. Global warming always precedes an ice age, Kukla explained. The warming we saw in the 1980s and 1990s, in other words, was expected all along, much as the calm before the storm. opinion.financialpost.com/2013/10/31/lawrence-solomon-a-global-cooling-consensus/Thanks for the post Ray. It's been a long year of work for me as I've been preparing for the coming of global cooling in 2017. And, as you saw by the recent brutal winter in North America, the world is trending to global cooling.
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Post by neilhamp on May 13, 2014 6:05:39 GMT
Welcome back Astromet. We have missed you I know you have been busy, but the opinion peace in financial post was published back in October 2013 Still, I was pleased to here from you again.
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