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Post by missouriboy on Mar 17, 2015 23:01:07 GMT
I tried Chrome. My OS didn't like it. Firefox works well for some areas, IE works well in others. I used to use IE but got tired of all the viruses. Finally, the Geek squad at Best Buy got me fixed ... and they don't reproduce anymore.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 18, 2015 0:27:30 GMT
I tried Chrome. My OS didn't like it. Firefox works well for some areas, IE works well in others. I used to use IE but got tired of all the viruses. Finally, the Geek squad at Best Buy got me fixed ... and they don't reproduce anymore. I have decades of records digitalized. I use Karpasky as an anti and have never had a virus.
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Post by Ratty on Mar 18, 2015 11:38:25 GMT
Just tried this thread thru Chrome ..... with no formatting problem.
At this time, I'm not dumping Firefox and the odd formatting issue will give me valuable eye exercises. If I get really energetic, I may take it up on a Mozilla forum.
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 3, 2015 17:46:25 GMT
WINNIPEG, CANADA versus GRAND FORKS, SOUTH DAKOTA. Winnipeg lies at the north end of my south-to-north section of the Great Plains, approx. 100 miles north of Grand Forks. How do they compare? There are some differences and some interesting patterns that emerge. TEMPERATURES Annual temperatures for both locations track each other nicely till about 2005, when Winnipeg suddenly starts to get warmer. They are now about the same as Grand Forks, about a 2 deg. C increase. Temperatures first peak in 1931, a 4-5 C increase from 1890, and about 5 years after the AMO goes positive in 1926. Temps then decline about 3-4 C through 1965, 2 years after the AMO goes negative, with a positive excursion of about 3 C from the trend line in the 1950s (if it is a trend line). Temps then increase about 3-4 C through 2005, which may be the high point of the positive AMO. Grand Forks then falls 2-3 C, while Winnipeg soars off to Warmist heaven . The high points in this series are the 1987 drought period and the 30s are about equal to the 50s, but 2 C below 2005. True or not? PRECIPITATION These data show some truely interesting patterns. First, precip is highest during positive AMO periods, which is opposite of southern end of the section. Increases appear to occur in short, sharp, positive steps, which then decline gradually to the next step. Thus, from 1895 to 1940 precip decreases from about 23 inches to about 16 inches. It then increases dramatically (about 7 inches) in 1941, which is about 3 years before the AMO peak. It then declines about 5 inches through 1991. The next step takes precip up about 8 inches by 1994, which is where the AMO goes positive. It then remains relatively stationary through the AMO peak and declines quickly thereafter. Sorry Sig! SNOWFALL Interesting difference. Grand Forks' snowfall appears to increase over the entire time period, with wetter period in the 20s-40s and dryer period in the 50s-80s. Winnipeg, on the other hand, declines relatively steadily by about a third over the period. Wow, 1997 was quite a winter snow-wise!!!!
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Post by abbyroad on Apr 5, 2015 0:51:38 GMT
I think you have your eye in. The trends on the upper graph lines are dominated by the 30's peak but as you say returns to business as usual. This discussion about a cool burst is interesting but given that we have food a system that throws about 30% of Its food out and most eat to much we will see price driven conservation and consequent migration of growing regions throughout the world. I think the biggest interest hinges on whether it actually does get significantly colder, the dividend is massive as all the low value decarbonization investment can be applied to real issues. How do those measured data get massaged into climate change, when this is all done, will there be enough trees to hang the fools. Without global warming, the grain belt would be under thousands of feet of ice, so thank God for global warming
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 5, 2015 4:41:04 GMT
I think you have your eye in. The trends on the upper graph lines are dominated by the 30's peak but as you say returns to business as usual. This discussion about a cool burst is interesting but given that we have food a system that throws about 30% of Its food out and most eat to much we will see price driven conservation and consequent migration of growing regions throughout the world. I think the biggest interest hinges on whether it actually does get significantly colder, the dividend is massive as all the low value decarbonization investment can be applied to real issues. How do those measured data get massaged into climate change, when this is all done, will there be enough trees to hang the fools. Without global warming, the grain belt would be under thousands of feet of ice, so thank God for global warming Amen Brother.
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 5, 2015 15:12:23 GMT
PRECIPITATION PATTERNS IN THE NORTHERN GRAIN BELT The following graph shows the difference in temporal patterns in the Eastern and Western portions of the Northern Grain Belt. The West (based on Edmonton) shows the same step patterns as the East, but the sharp increases at the onset of each step appear to coincide with the initiation of the positive phases of the PDO versus the East (Winnipeg and Grand Forks), where they seem to coincide with the initiation of the positive phases of the AMO. This may be too simplistic ... but? Note that Grand Forks show the droughts about 1910, 1935, and 1978 that do not appear to have affected Winnipeg while both were affected by the 1987 drought. Also, that Edmonton total precip. seems to have declined over the period. The areas around Saskatoon and Regina seem to be less affected?? I'm intrigued by the short, sharp initiation of the wetter periods and the long, slow declines.
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 5, 2015 15:24:36 GMT
On my phone right now. There are reasons for this.
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 5, 2015 16:38:29 GMT
PRECIPITATION PATTERNS IN THE NORTHERN GRAIN BELT The following graph shows the difference in temporal patterns in the Eastern and Western portions of the Northern Grain Belt. The West (based on Edmonton) shows the same step patterns as the East, but the sharp increases at the onset of each step appear to coincide with the initiation of the positive phases of the PDO versus the East (Winnipeg and Grand Forks), where they seem to coincide with the initiation of the positive phases of the AMO. This may be too simplistic ... but? Note that Grand Forks show the droughts about 1910, 1935, and 1978 that do not appear to have affected Winnipeg while both were affected by the 1987 drought. Also, that Edmonton total precip. seems to have declined over the period. The areas around Saskatoon and Regina seem to be less affected?? I'm intrigued by the short, sharp initiation of the wetter periods and the long, slow declines. View AttachmentMissouriboy: You will note the beginning of the "Wet Cycle" in about 1940 of both Grand Forks and Winnipeg. The Central US has a approx 160 year cycle, apex to apex of wet dry. In the Eastern 1/2 of ND and up into Manitoba this is very visible with the rising levels of the Devils Lake basin. This is a closed basin. nd.water.usgs.gov/devilslake/science/hydrology.htmlThis initial opening part is not valid, as Devils Lake has reached an apex in height and maintained that for the past several years. It appears to, at present, have started the declining phase of lake level.
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 5, 2015 16:43:01 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 5, 2015 17:58:52 GMT
The 'Magic Molecule' is taking a well-deserved break. The recorded precip. seems to track well with lake levels from 1990 to 2011, but the 20 foot increase from 1938 to 1993 appears to have occurred during an elevated but declining period of precip.
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 5, 2015 18:06:51 GMT
Missouriboy: You will note the beginning of the "Wet Cycle" in about 1940 of both Grand Forks and Winnipeg. The Central US has a approx 160 year cycle, apex to apex of wet dry. In the Eastern 1/2 of ND and up into Manitoba this is very visible with the rising levels of the Devils Lake basin. This is a closed basin. nd.water.usgs.gov/devilslake/science/hydrology.htmlThis initial opening part is not valid, as Devils Lake has reached an apex in height and maintained that for the past several years. It appears to, at present, have started the declining phase of lake level. If the apex to apex period remains steady, you've had your wet allowance. Will a return to a negative AMO and dryness consumate the remaining 80 years???
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Post by missouriboy on May 18, 2015 2:46:01 GMT
JANUARY CHANGES ACROSS THE GRAIN BELT: 1970-2015 Annual January deviations from the 1890-2010 normal for two north-south cross sections centered on 92.3 and 96.5 W Longitude compared to UAH v6.0 satellite temp. deviations for the USA48 land area. The east cross section extends 500 miles from Columbia, MO to Duluth, MN. The west cross section extends 700 miles from Manhattan, KS to Winnipeg, CAN. 1. Note the extraordinary coincidence of north-south deviations in any given year. 2. Note the nearly parabolic nature of the January curve that peaks in 2006 and declines thereafter. 3. Note the visually excellent fit of a 3-year running average of the UAH v6.0 January-specific satellite temperature deviations for the USA48 area. 4. Seems to me that the Great Plains are, in fact, reasonably representative of temperature changes in the US. The magnitude is just larger in the plains. 5. BIG QUESTION: Why can't GISTemp produce similar results? Or is that a rhetorical question?
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Post by missouriboy on May 18, 2015 2:59:59 GMT
FEBRUARY CHANGES ACROSS THE GRAIN BELT: 1970-2015 Ditto for February. Note the peak in 1999 and the long-term, parabolic nature of the curve. And the tight fit in deviations from normal across 500 to 700 miles. Again, UAH v6.0 satellite deviations for February (USA48) fit nicely in terms of shape and direction of the deviations. Note the approximate 5 degree C decline in the deviation since 1999. This compares to a 1.5 degree C satellite data decline ... but the trends are very similar.
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Post by sigurdur on May 18, 2015 3:21:49 GMT
Thrown in a May deviation. There is one heck of a spike low happening right now.
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